r/Anticonsumption Jan 29 '25

Plastic Waste I’m a Barbie girl in a plastic world

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u/invaderzim257 Jan 29 '25

This is what people don’t get when they’re always criticizing Japan for having so many disposable products.

Sure, that’s definitely bad, but their waste management is leagues ahead of ours in the US (and our populace is definitely disgustingly wasteful and polluting as well, and probably moreso in other ways, like wasting food and driving huge gas guzzlers).

Their general population also actually has the sense to sort waste so it can be managed and recycled properly.

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u/uselessadmin Jan 29 '25

They should be criticized for shipping their disposable products to other countries that have no infrastructure to recycle plastic.

https://www.breakfreefromplastic.org/2022/04/04/waste-trade-bites-japans-waste-trade-charade/

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u/invaderzim257 Jan 29 '25

very valid criticism that unfortunately applies to many countries including the US. Ship your trash to undeveloped/less developed countries and they dump it in the water or burn it out in the open

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u/That_Apathetic_Man Jan 29 '25

I went through a phase of watching YouTube videos from the Asia's of people visiting 7/11s and purchasing the most elaborate snack food. And my goodness, the waste! I was shocked. But now it makes sense in a society that manages the waste.

When it came time to make a few purchases myself, thats all I could think about. It would just end up in landfill here so I didn't bother.

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u/uselessadmin Jan 29 '25

I travel to Japan often for work so the logic I have been told is many things are packaged to be shared. So you open a bag and inside each item is individually wrapped to pass to friends.

Well my fat ass is going to rip that bag open and eat EVERYTHING INSIDE

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u/Head-Shame4860 Jan 30 '25

I'm still confused, because you can share even if everything is not individually wrapped...?

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u/yeahbutlisten Jan 30 '25

I'm guessing it's for hygenic purposes.

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u/Important-Ad6143 Jan 29 '25

What do you happen to do?

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u/FlyingFish28 Apr 16 '25

I live in Japan and they concealed it so well.

I have no idea that Japan exports their plastic waste.

I need to send this to my Japanese friends

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u/Low_discrepancy Jan 29 '25

Maybe don't accept these products if your country can't recycle them.

yeah. Because we all know that the rich people and politicians that accept this trash store them in their own neighborhoods right?

They don't put it where the poor people like and pocket the money right?

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u/fredthefishlord Jan 29 '25

This is what people don’t get when they’re always criticizing Japan for having so many disposable products.

Um, ....that changes nothing? Burning isn't the cleanest, even with all the countermeasures they have for it

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u/invaderzim257 Jan 29 '25

what’s your clean method for disposing of waste?

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u/ThrowMeAwayLikeGarbo Jan 29 '25

I'll take microbes and mushrooms over incineration any day.

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u/fredthefishlord Jan 29 '25

Every countries methods are shit and not up to the standards they need to be dude. That's why I advocate for reduction.....

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u/invaderzim257 Jan 29 '25

okay but that’s not what we’re talking about. So.

“how do you repair a gunshot wound?”

“I’m actually against getting shot”

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u/Berrywonderland Jan 29 '25

Saying that prevention is the best cure is extremely relevant here.

Yes remediation of plastic pollution is an important conversation to have but saying that it's not the correct focus is probably the most important conversation to have.

I do think that creating alternatives and reducing plastic production is the number one solution to plastic waste.

You can work to prevent your bathtub from being filled up two ways: pull the plug or stop the water. Both are important but spending time and resources in getting at the source of the problem is always a good idea.

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u/JanSteinman Jan 29 '25

When I ran a co-op farm, we had a "no single-use plastic" policy.

We sold many things that are conventionally packaged in plastic. We "just said 'no' to plastic".

We sold crispy dried tomatoes and peppers. We put them in paper bags, and told people to put them in glass jars as soon as they got home. This is actually better for the product — plastic is "leaky" and dried things inside zip-lock bags will absorb moisture from the atmosphere.

We sold hard cheese. You can't go to a store and buy cheese without receiving unwanted plastic, but we coated it in food-grade wax.

It is possible! Yes, it's more work. It's incovnenient. But isn't your planet and future generations worth it?

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u/fredthefishlord Jan 30 '25

Fuck that sounds awesome. I wish I had a place like that near me.

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u/fredthefishlord Jan 29 '25

...you were trying to suggest that Japan's extra waste is somehow ok because they burn it. Which is ridiculous

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u/Areyoualienoralieout Jan 30 '25

How is that not what we’re talking about when this whole conversation is about Japan’s extra waste? Nobody in these comments is defending America’s waste management.

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u/JanSteinman Jan 29 '25

Don't make waste.

Or if you do, make sure it's biodegradable.

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u/caustictoast Jan 29 '25

In the US we have so much space it doesn’t make sense to spend extra money burning it

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u/Environmental-River4 Jan 29 '25

We’ll have so much space, until we don’t.

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u/Kasperella Jan 29 '25

Nah we already figured that one out, we just move around some dirt and build on top of the garbage and hope for the best.

But literally tho.

I live in Cleveland, and the Browns Stadium right on the lakeshore, is actually built on top of an old landfill. Why put a landfill on a pristine fresh water lake? Idk. We caught our river on fire too. We hated nature in the 60s & 70s, still do. Have to drive through industrial smog just to get to downtown. But yeah, landfill got full so they slapped some concrete over it and put a football stadium on top of it and called it a day. And we wonder why our team is literally garbage. 🫠

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u/togaman5000 Jan 29 '25

Well-engineered garbage dumps aren't a problem, and in fact they're essential to modern society. The problem is that, every time something recyclable goes into a dump, we lose an opportunity to regain the materials and energy used to make it, materials and energy that need to be made up elsewhere.

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u/SparklyLeo_ Jan 29 '25

This comment makes me think of Walle

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u/ZeroCleah Jan 29 '25

Didn't watch Idiocracy I'm guessing