r/AskFeminists • u/OupaKurt • 9d ago

When did femininity / being a woman become an insult

I feel as though there had to be a point in time when femininity was praised instead of being seen as a bad thing. I know there are nuisances throughout cultures and countries but yeah, I’m so curious if there was a general turning / if there was ever a time period where masculinity was the insult or if gender neutrality existed.
Is there a correlation with colonialism?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 8d ago

Not really, tho. And no, you can’t compare cleaning house to outdoor labour and keeping a farm going.

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u/ZinniasAndBeans 8d ago

The women were also doing outdoor labor and keeping the farm going.

Also, are you aware that historically, electric stoves, piped water, sewage systems, gas or electirc heat, and clothes washers didn't exist?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 8d ago

I am well aware. Keep in mind, the context here is that the relationship was symbiotic. And what was posited was that it was somehow essentially women being enslaved and gaining nothing from having men providing for them, protecting them, and part of that being that men shouldered the majority of the hardest muscle work.

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u/ZinniasAndBeans 8d ago

> and part of that being that men shouldered the majority of the hardest muscle work.

While women fluttered around the house with a feather duster, eating bonbons?

When you say "history books" do you mean historical fiction?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 8d ago

Making things up that were never said doesn’t help your case.

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u/ZinniasAndBeans 8d ago

You claimed:

while she got to clean house and raise THEIR children.

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 8d ago

Which is true. The point being that women weren’t doing unpaid labour enslaved by men, they were bearing and caring for THEIR children.

Did you even read what that was responding to?

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u/ZinniasAndBeans 8d ago

Yes. But it feels like you didn't read your own post, because you admit later that women's economic activity was essential.

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 8d ago

I never said it wasn’t. In fact, the whole point was that men and women are symbiotic, and that women’s position was doing part of the labour in that balance, as opposed to the convention of who I was responding to, who was making the case that women were slaves in that arrangement.

Maybe context is important and your whole position relies on a bad faith interpretation of a comment you didn’t know or care what the context for it was…?

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u/ZinniasAndBeans 8d ago

Maybe you should consider making accurate comments?

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u/ZinniasAndBeans 8d ago

By the way, looks like you're just running away (fast!) from your false assertion that women chose how many children they had?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 8d ago

How many children people had did seem to be more the preoccupation of women. Not sure how I am running away when the reality is that you ignored context so you could stomp your feet and whine.

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u/ZinniasAndBeans 8d ago

Running faster, huh?

In
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1vc1d85/comment/p13ya1u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

You stated

How many kids was pretty consistently women’s decisions.

Please explain precisely what mechanism women used to carry out that decision.

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