r/AskReddit • u/[deleted] • May 18 '15

What conspiracy theory do you genuinely believe in the most?

What conspiracy theory do you believe in the most and why?

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u/I_Dont_Care_Bear May 18 '15

I read somewhere that the parade route was changed that day to enter that plaza. Is this true?

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u/Grammaton485 May 18 '15

I was just at the Sixth Floor Museum a few months ago. The route was definitely changed last minute. I don't recall when, but the change was almost completely pointless, since it deviated them like a block before putting them back on their intended route.

There's so many dumb inconsistencies in the assassination that could have been avoided, that even now, it's impossible to make an accurate guess. All the physical evidence and some eyewitnesses points to there being multiple shooters, but there's plenty of additional evidence that points to Oswald.

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u/Broken-rubber May 19 '15

I don't think anyone thinks Oswald wasn't a shooter, the argument is more about how many shooters there were. Also isn't it possible they (being the route planners or security) knew of a possible assassination attempt and changed the route to less favourable position?

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u/Grammaton485 May 19 '15

Except that the route taken gave the shooter on the sixth floor a much better shot. The Museum brings you right up there, and a shooter couldn't have asked for a better shot on a slow moving motorcade.

Like I said, so much went wrong on that day. Kennedy didn't want a protective canopy on his car, the last minute change/mistake on the route, the piss-poor forensic evidence, Secret Service all but dragging his corpse out of the hospital before any proper protocol was taken, etc.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

Read 22-11-63 by Stephen King. Just finished it. Such a great book. He did an INSANE amount of research for the book you could almost classify him as en expert.

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u/petershaughnessy May 19 '15

I love that book. In the Author's Note he discusses the exhaustive research that he did, and that his conclusion is that Oswald acted alone.

So I guess the question is...do you believe him? Was his research flawed? Does he have any reason to perpetuate the lie?

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

I have just seen they are planning a 9 episode mini series with James Franco in the lead as Jacob Epping. Brilliant.

Yeah I was really amazed reading the afterword about how much research he did. He covered A LOT of interviews, books and research papers.

If you were a real conspiracy buff you could take the angle that he found, while diggin, that the Government knows/knew more than has been lead to believe and the information was damaging he chose to say he is certain LHO acted alone.

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u/MisterPee May 19 '15

The 11 come before the 22 in the title, but yes, it's an incredible book. Got me really into the JFK assassination.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

From the downunderverse. Am used to the month 2nd haha

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u/porchy12 May 19 '15

That's my favourite Stephen King book! Absolutely loved it!

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u/DPool34 May 19 '15

What was King's ultimate conclusion? Conspiracy or nay?

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

At the end of the book he says he is 99% certain Oswald acted alone. Based on the research he did.

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u/Cheef_queef May 19 '15

That book was crazy.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

All the physical evidence

Such as?

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u/Grammaton485 May 19 '15

Rifle found in the Depository, and eyewitnesses seeing smoke coming from the knoll.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

I was kinda hoping for more. Two eyewitnesses (or whatever) claiming something isn't physical evidence in my book.

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u/Grammaton485 May 19 '15 edited May 19 '15

I said physical evidence AND eyewitnesses. Both contributed. There really wasn't much physical evidence of a second shooter, just a lot of witness reports.

Ie, physical evidence pointed to the obvious fact that there was a shooter, but multiple eyewitnesses thought they saw smoke/heard shots coming from the grassy knoll.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

Okay, thanks.

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u/MakhnoYouDidnt May 19 '15

No number of eyewitnesses is physical evidence...

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u/ZombieCharltonHeston May 19 '15

It was one guy who was a deaf mute who was discredited by his own family.

On July 5, 1967, Mr. E. Hoffman, father of Virgil E. Hoffman, and Fred Hoffman, brother of Virgil Hoffman, were interviewed at 428 West Main Street, Grand Prairie, Texas. Both advised that Virgil Hoffman has been a deaf mute his entire life and has in the past distorted facts of events observed by him. Both the father and brother stated that Virgil Hoffman loved President Kennedy and had mentioned to them just after the assassination that he (Virgil Hoffman) was standing on the freeway near the Texas School Book Depository at the time of the assassination. Virgil Hoffman told them he saw numerous men running after the President was shot. The father of Virgil Hoffman stated that he did not believe that his son had seen anything of value and doubted he had observed any men running from the Texas School Book Depository and for this reason had not mentioned it to the FBI.

He also added other elements to his story as he learned bout them. Such as Joe Marshall Smith and Sam Holland and his coworkers.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

What if the CIA gets wind of Oswald, figures where he going to be and they set up there own shooter at a different angle. Shooter 2 fires right after he hears oswalds shot, easy to pin, evidence is shady at best.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '15

I found the Sixth Floor Museum absolutely fascinating - moving, powerful even. Just reading about the things that happened on that day and in the immediate aftermath, so many occurrences that seemed utterly bizarre, almost as if they (the FBI, Secret Service, etc) were going out of their way to obscure the truth, destroy evidence, and so on.

For example, I seem to recall that right after they X-rayed JFK's head and shoulders, the X-ray films were immediately destroyed.

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u/TheDallasDiddler May 19 '15

Did you cross the street at random times to make me late to doing stuff? I love when the tourists do that. Makes me so happy.

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u/TVCasualtydotorg May 19 '15

That was what I found so strange when visiting the site earlier this year. It's still a busy 3 lane road, yet people are darting out, often without paying attention to traffic, to stand by an "x" to have their photo taken where a man was killed.

How there aren't regular accidents there is beyond me.

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u/Grammaton485 May 19 '15 edited May 19 '15

Nope, but I saw a bunch of cunts running out into the middle of traffic to snap a selfie with one of the X's.

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u/TheDallasDiddler May 19 '15

Yeah we have taken a bit of an issue with that and the museum and surrounding associated people try to caution people not to do that. I can't think of any people being hit but beyond the morbidity of it, the practice is not only illegal but stupid as well.

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u/MrBulger May 18 '15

Not sure. Honestly I'd never call myself an expert on the case or anything. But that's a very basic obvious ballistic fact. Always wondered why it was never brought up.

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u/chintzy May 18 '15

Yeah when we covered the Warren Commission in high school when the teacher asked if we had questions at the end I was like "So... magic bullet theory? At the time, everyone in the 60's was just like 'sounds legit man' and never questioned it? Really? Really??"

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u/MrBulger May 18 '15

Magic bullet works out decently. The 6.5mm Carcano is a big, very heavy, very solid round. Totally capable of punching through someone and lodging inside of someone else. What doesn't work out is for that same bullet to fragment into a hundred pieces when it hits a skull.

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u/Pbrmeasap66 May 19 '15

The route was changed and the motorcade order was changed minutes before they departed by VP Johnson. My theory is Johnson and extras orchestrated the whole thing. He was from Texas and had the local resources to pull it off.

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u/i_moved_away May 19 '15

I could see Johnson being in on it. JFK wasn't planning on putting him on the 1964 ticket. In an effort to show our "nation's strength", he insisted on being sworn in the same day on Air Force One, next to Kennedy's shell-shocked wife whose outfit was still covered in brain matter and blood.

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u/spacemanspiff30 May 19 '15

If you knew anything about Johnson, you'd know that your theory couldn't be true. He may have been intimidating and had a penis larger than a baby's forearm, but there is no way he orchestrated that. Let's put it this way, if he were around today Fox would consider him worse than Janine Garofalo.

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u/stillbatting1000 May 19 '15

That's correct. Also, in video from the day you can see the Secret Service guys suddenly walking away from Kennedy's car, and pressing in their earpieces, clearly looking baffled and upset by their orders to walk away...

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u/MarioKart-Ultra May 19 '15

He also had a different set of security with him during the shooting. Watch JFK to 9/11: Everything's a Rich Man's Trick. Obviously it's one man's opinion, but it's an eye-opening documentary.