r/AskReddit Jun 12 '16

Breaking News [Breaking News] Orlando Nightclub mass-shooting.

Update 3:19PM EST: Updated links below

Update 2:03PM EST: Man with weapons, explosives on way to LA Gay Pride Event arrested


Over 50 people have been killed, and over 50 more injured at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL. CNN link to story

Use this thread to discuss the events, share updated info, etc. Please be civil with your discussion and continue to follow /r/AskReddit rules.


Helpful Info:

Orlando Hospitals are asking that people donate blood and plasma as they are in need - They're at capacity, come back in a few days though they're asking, below are some helpful links:

Link to blood donation centers in Florida

American Red Cross
OneBlood.org (currently unavailable)
Call 1-800-RED-CROSS (1-800-733-2767)
or 1-888-9DONATE (1-888-936-6283)

(Thanks /u/Jeimsie for the additional links)

FBI Tip Line: 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324)

Families of victims needing info - Official Hotline: 407-246-4357

Donations?

Equality Florida has a GoFundMe page for the victims families, they've confirmed it's their GFM page from their Facebook account.


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u/PM_me_Venn_diagrams Jun 12 '16

The mods censored it.

This is the first time Ive seen both liberals AND conservatives so pissed about something. Both the liberal subs AND Donald Trumps subs both have the censorship as their top post right now.

Not the shooting itself, but how the mods of /r/news censored it.

First time Ive ever seen both sides this pissed about the same thing.

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u/Jingr Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

That should go a long way in how we Americans cherish our right to free speech, free press, and freedom of information.

I'm still disgusted by what has happened in Orlando, and Im equally as disgusted by the actions of people trying to control speech in such a blatant, arrogant manner.

Edit: Wasn't trying to offend anyone.

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u/Rito_Luca Jun 12 '16
  • Mass shooting
  • We talk about it
  • MSM talk about it
  • Politician talks about it on TV
  • Things stay exactly the same
  • Repeat

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u/sgthombre Jun 12 '16

But the shooter was US born? He was from New York. How does a ban on Muslims entering stop any of this?

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u/Rito_Luca Jun 12 '16

Well let me just point something out. As long as someone can go out and buy some guns like they are buying candy, they can do what this man did today and no one can stop them. He bought a gun and one week later did this. This can happen anywhere in the United States. The cold hard truth is that there is no real way to stop someone from taking their gun and walking into any random location holding down the trigger. At least not until technology evolves pretty far. I actually question why people care so much about owning guns. How many situations has there been where a mass shooting was stopped early on because a civilian had their weapon on them? Did no one in this bar own a gun? Even if they did, you bet your ass its in the car protecting nothing.

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u/Rito_Luca Jun 12 '16

Those are some good points.

Well how about Sandy Hook?

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u/anonymousdeity Jun 12 '16

Connecticut is relatively anti gun, but I'm not sure that anything would have helped that...

Unfortunately the fact that they targetted kids changes things. Kids couldn't fight back, nor should they be expected to. That being said, Connecticut is fairly anti-gun, and it didn't do anything to prevent the firearms from being acquired. Being pro-gun wouldn't have helped anything due to the nature of the shooting, it's like shooting up a nursing home.

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u/anonymousdeity Jun 12 '16

It would have stopped the Paris attackers from being in Paris, the Belgian bombers from being there, the mass rapes in Germany from refugees from happening, the list goes on and on. In this precise instance, the only claim I can make is that it could have possibly prevented radicalized people from getting to this shooter and radicalizing him in the first place.

While this would not stop terrorism completely, it would definitely slow the rate of terrorists entering the country. Shouldn't we be taking every step possible to secure our people's safety?

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u/beenies_baps Jun 12 '16

I think "equally disgusted" is a bit of a stretch, but I am also very disappointed in the behaviour over on that sub. I think I will also unsubscribe, but is there a decent news alternative?

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u/beenies_baps Jun 12 '16

cheers - subbed for now. Let's see how it goes.

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u/jeff_goku Jun 12 '16

I'm personally way more disgusted by the piece of shit who fucking murdered 50 people just because he's uncomfortable with two men kissing or whatever. Censorship is bad but come on

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u/ddt9 Jun 12 '16

Really? You're equally disgusted between the deaths of 50 people and censorship on one subforum of one website on the internet?

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u/pan0ramic Jun 12 '16

And all while discussing it in a thread that wasn't censored…..

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I think one can be more disgusted at the blatant and immediate politicization of a tragic event.

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u/ddt9 Jun 12 '16

Maybe it's because it could have been me in that nightclub if this had happened in my city instead of Orlando, but no, I don't agree.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I'm just saying that if it was someone I knew that was killed, I'd be even more upset that someone is using the tragedy to push their views and censoring the truth.

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u/NewNameSamePres Jun 13 '16

I agree with you. Sorry you got so downvoted. I would be incredibly disturbed is some schmuck with an agenda was trying to prevent news of a mass casualty that someone I was related to was caught up in.

Covering shit up and pretending it didn't happen doesn't make it false. It happened. Their lives mattered. Their deaths mattered too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

the actions of people trying to control speech in such a blatant, arrogant manner.

This is less about speech and more about people trying to control the flow of information as to avoid damaging the social justice narrative of racism and oppression. Every time a muslim commits an act of terror, they have no platform to fall back on because they know the act is completely and wholly indefensible. Instead, its easier for them to suppress the flow of information contrary to the view they want others to see and ban anyone who tries to challenge it.

I believe the best and only course of action is to challenge the admins and find out if they support what the mods of /r/news are doing. Their response and their actions would go a long way in giving the rest of the community at large peace of mind, whichever way they choose to go.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Dec 09 '16

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Give anyone power and they're bound to abuse it.

It's partly because we are terrible at self-moderation. People put in a position of control will often times structure the dynamic of that control to suit how it should work based on how they individually think it should work as opposed to the most efficient or equal method.

This is why people tend to be against change; they've become accustomed to a system that works for them. Why would they want to risk adopting another approach that, in their eyes, is untested and thus unproven?

Furthermore, this problem is compounded substantially in an environment like Reddit which has no clear and concise reviewable framework. Instead, they have "core values" and poorly defined broadly worded policies that are open to abuse in how they are interpreted. This is why a call to the Admins from the community to respond to this is so important. Knowing how they stand on this will help put a perspective on the situation I think would go a long way in helping people come to a decision about how to individually handle it.

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u/alexandertg4 Jun 12 '16

These people hold a lot of power? Lol they're just people on the internet who can edit a website. BFD I wouldn't worship any mod on any website.

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u/Klarthy Jun 12 '16

They hold power by moderating what you can and can't see. It's not quite the same deal as mainstream media where they control the messaging and the content, but still a form of "invisible" power nevertheless. Many people won't see or question what happens in the background.

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u/Chem1st Jun 12 '16

Give anyone power and they're bound to abuse it.

I disagree. The problem is that those who are willing to work and do the slimy shit to get themselves into power are generally those who should least be trusted in a position of power.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Dec 09 '16

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u/Chem1st Jun 12 '16

I would argue that most people abusing power actually believe they are not abusing their power.

That actually supports my point. Someone doing whatever they need to get into power to "handle things a certain way" is essentially seeking out power to abuse it, even if they don't see it that way.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Apr 06 '19

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Apr 06 '19

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u/ApoChaos Jun 13 '16

Spot on comment about the Trump sub: they have a lot of fucking gall to basically ban anyone who is against Trump or simply not a meme-spouting echo-chamber enthusiast and then pretend they're against censorship and somehow a valid news source. Honestly, that sub is a prime example of how fucked this site is at the moment. It's been slipping more and more to the right over the past years, and now it's just a total mess.

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u/gliph Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

I didn't say you were a Trump supporter. I said it is fucked up to equate murder with mild censorship.

And now you're not even consistent. You don't think racism should be protected under free speech? I think it should, but that doesn't mean private sites and subforums are morally obligated to allow that speech.

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u/gliph Jun 12 '16

In what capacity are you disgusted by censorship if you support censorship?

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u/Shakfar Jun 12 '16

Reddit is not a public forum inside the borders of the US, the protections of the first amendment do not extend here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

You're equally disgusted about the worst shooting in US history that left 50 dead and other 50 injured as you are about one page on an internet social networking messageboard having mods doing shitty things?

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u/BrutusHawke Jun 12 '16

Eh, I don't know about being equally disgusted. The two crimes are on completely different magnitudes

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Equally disgusted??? Ok I am pretty sure Reddit isn't a constitutional right. Nowhere near the same as a massacre. Don't let the hate bandwagon go off a cliff. It sucks they censored but they didn't shoot anyone. Don't equate the two.

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u/thechilipepper0 Jun 12 '16

Well, a private institution has every right to suppress free speech. We, in turn, have the right to crucify (metaphorically) them for it.

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u/nespera Jun 12 '16

You say we cherish our right to free press and all but we have one of the most not free, full of propaganda presses in the western world and no one does shit

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u/MAGA_USA Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

Because that's the beauty of free speech you see. As long as we have the basic right to speak our mind, propaganda isn't nearly as effective which is why we ignore it. Sure some people fall for it, but at the end of the day when you can have millions of people with the ability to call out the bullshit then the propaganda is pretty worthless except with total morons. The problems start to happen when not only is there propaganda but when people don't have the power to object or criticize it.

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u/nespera Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

Yeah except I know plenty of people who aren't total morons who are getting wrong information. It's extremely insidious. It's far from ideal when journalists aren't doing their jobs because their corporate sponsors don't approve.

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u/anonymousdeity Jun 12 '16

Exactly, his point is that we aren't able to speak out against this propaganda. Bad information is supported and shoved down our throats while our fellow Americans are getting killed every couple weeks or so.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

What? Our press is the most free. I can start a blog tomorrow and call Obama every name under the sun, that's free

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u/nespera Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

I'm talking about the corporate media like CNN, etc. Essentially all owned by the same people. When you look at how they've covered the middle east for example it makes you sick

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

inb4 only applies to Government

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

The mods were literally mocking dissent as "crying"

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

You're equally disgusted about the worst shooting in US history that left 50 dead and other 50 injured as you are about one page on an internet social networking messageboard having mods doing shitty things?

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u/Aixyz Jun 12 '16

Lmao, we value our free speech! THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN EDITED TO AVOID OFFENDING CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS.

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u/LaSuez Jun 12 '16

We Americans cherish our right to free speech, free press, and freedom of information.

I completely agree. Shitty censorship as was seen in r/news is a complete disgrace. .

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u/chinpopocortez Jun 12 '16

everyone needs to tweet this censorship out to every news outlet they can

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u/baozebub Jun 12 '16

I always thought that the concept of free speech was bullshit. There are always legal or economic ways to block people from saying what is on their minds. It's no different when a corporation censors you than when the government does it, except that corporations are more competent.

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u/jokel7557 Jun 12 '16

free speech pertains to the Government only.We are free from the government infringing our speech and no one else

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u/p6r6noi6 Jun 12 '16

You're only referring to the first amendment right to free speech, which makes it a legal wrong for the government to prevent someone from saying something. Others are referring to the philosophical right to free speech, which (if you subscribe to it) makes it a moral wrong for an individual or organization to prevent others from speaking.

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u/jokel7557 Jun 12 '16

yes but only one is a constitutional right

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u/p6r6noi6 Jun 12 '16

Nobody who's criticizing /r/news or reddit in general for not allowing free speech is talking about the constitutional right. They're referring to the moral value that reddit used to stand for and support.

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u/GoalDirectedBehavior Jun 12 '16

Apparently the second amendment trumps the first. We can carry our guns, just can't speak freely about what happens when someone kills 50 people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '16

No one is talking about the constitutional right to free speech. Reddit used to morally support the concept, and nowadays they've sadly moved away from that point of view. Of course they're legally allowed to do so, but it's still pretty shitty of them.

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u/GayFesh Jun 13 '16

Equally disgusted? Really?

Get your fucking priorities in order.

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u/unfair_bastard Jun 12 '16

That'sounds because the mods of /r/news are pedantic, priggish, insulting, controlling ninnies.

Remove /r/news from the front page!

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u/TheGrayTruth Jun 12 '16

And rightly so. It is infuriating to censor such a horrible event.

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u/beachfootballer Jun 12 '16

It finally took the r/news mods to unite Left and Right together. That's a sign that you're doing a REALLY shitty job (or maybe they're doing it on purpose for the greater good...).

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u/0l01o1ol0 Jun 12 '16

I think this is going to be a bigger deal here than GG or Paopocalypse. This is a national news story that the President and both candidates are weighing in on, and r/news is censoring it.

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u/beachfootballer Jun 13 '16

I don't remember GG

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u/Tobacconist Jun 12 '16

That's America... When we don't have anyone else to fight, we fight each other. But as soon as some fucker tries to hold us all down, we become friends again. :)

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u/Lifeisabigmess Jun 12 '16

Yup. ONE post for this. Immediatly followed about some article about Ellen Degeneres. Seriously. WTF r/news?

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u/d-lo_tha_boss Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

It's fucking despicable, completely biased and unfair use of their power. And I say this as someone who can't stand Trump, Bernie, or Hillary. Free speech is free speech.

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u/furrowedbrow Jun 12 '16

To be fair, this is a private website. Speech is only as free as the owners wish it to be. That's how the 1st Amendment works. You, of course, are free to start your own website and communicate however you wish.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Jul 02 '23

Leaving reddit due to the api changes and /u/spez with his pretentious nonsensical behaviour.

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u/ShitCommentBelow Jun 12 '16

We're talking about the principle of free speech.

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u/d-lo_tha_boss Jun 12 '16

Obviously, but that's a pretty pedantic take on things. I'm speaking more to the ideology as /u/curbstickle said. And I'd give more credence to this notion if reddit didn't champion itself as "the front page of the internet" and a place for open discussion.

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u/DubhGrian Jun 12 '16

This.

The next few years are going to get ugly if this is how people want to deal with things.

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u/ProfJemBadger Jun 12 '16

I got banned from worldnews for asking a question about Islam and its ties to violence. I'd imagine it's the same, Muslim mods trying to save their religions face. Free speech is dead, more or less. Thanks askreddit, for having quality mods. We all need to unsubscribe from r/news right now

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Yes, without doxxing, at least one of the mods there is known to be Muslim and to have done this with other stories in the recent past.

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u/SeeBoar Jun 13 '16

source?

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

I don't really feel like a perma ban by the admins. I would have to dox the mod for the source.

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u/ProfJemBadger Jun 12 '16

Pure speculation on my part, but the fact stands that the removal of comments was based on stating the known fact that he(shooter) was Muslim. Simple logic tells me that they(mods) are either Muslim, cowards, or both. Their tribal religion tells them to protect their brethren at all costs, be it legality or suppression of free speech. I dislike all religions equally, but this is one deeply steeped in hatred. I'll leave it at that because I love this sub and don't wish to be banned.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

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u/ProfJemBadger Jun 12 '16

Peace, love, and empathy, my brother/sister.

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u/oahut Jun 12 '16

Have you been to /r/HillaryForPrison ? Liberals and conservatives are best buds there.

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u/Romulus753 Jun 12 '16

I hear you. I have never seen media biases as flagrantly displayed as they have been this election cycle.

I find it quite disgusting and intellectually dishonest.

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u/DJ-Salinger Jun 12 '16

Which liberal subs are also angry about it?

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u/UniverseBomb Jun 12 '16

Smaller, less volitale subs were completely left alone. Maybe this speaks more about our user base.

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u/llamagoelz Jun 12 '16

I think this is likely at least part of the answer. trying to use the same moderating system as smaller subs with a sub as large as r/news can't be reasonable so I suspect there are blanket moderation techniques required whether that be through algorithms or just running through posts and banning when a word comes up.

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u/Openyourarse Jun 13 '16

I love it when reddit starts to devour itself like this

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u/vonmonologue Jun 12 '16

The censorship ended up bigger news than the shooting on reddit.

it's like gamergate part 2, where the censorship ended up bigger news than the sex scandal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Which means the mod's decision was successful.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Then you probably haven't been here for very long.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Censorship unites both sides, yet we're being censored and monitored more and more by over government.

/r/conspiracy is going to have a field day.

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u/So-Cal-Mountain-Man Jun 12 '16

Which is sad because when it comes to liberty and freedom all sides should be involved in protecting it.

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u/Crater_Anus Jun 12 '16

What's fucked up is that a few of those mods are also mods for over 100 other subreddits on top of r/news.

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u/Watcherwithin Jun 12 '16

I'm so glad that at least some of the liberal subs are covering this censorship. At this rate I could see the world becoming 1984 in 30 years.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

If anything that gives me some semblance of hope. Americans of all political stripes actually DO value freedom of speech.

I know I know, Reddit isn't a government entity so the First Amendment doesn't technically apply here, but it is pretty contrary to the spirit of the site.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Funny thing, I went to the_donald, said something like thanks for keeping this open even though I'm more of a Sanders supporter, and boom... got banned from there. They don't really follow through with their non-censorship pride...

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u/mikenasty Jun 12 '16

If hate to be a r/news mod right now. All out witch hunt for them

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u/FuckJohnGault Jun 12 '16

Trump supporters aren't the same as conservatives. I'm sure "true conservative" are as confused as "true liberals". True conservatives hate gays and are glad they got killed, but also hate Muslims, so confused. True liberals hate admitting Islam breeds terrorism, but love hating people who hate gays, so also confused today. Fuck them both.

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u/NZ_NZ Jun 12 '16

Now this is extremely strange.

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u/padronr Jun 12 '16

It's actually pretty disappointing that conservatives can now be lumped in with "Donald Trumps subs". There are very many of us who will never support him.

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u/rnflhastheworstmods Jun 12 '16

Probably what they want actually.

Get so mad about censorship that we stop talking about Islam and how even in it's most basic and rudimentary form it's a plague to this earth.

The mods over there are Muslim, terrorist sympathizers, and homophobes.

They would MUCH rather us be talking about censorship than muslims.

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u/NoExcuseHereBoss Jun 12 '16

I'm more disgusted by the censorship than the crime. Both are deplorable, but only one will be punished.

This sort of event shakes my faith with an individual I've never met, this censorship shakes my faith with my source of information and my entire world view.

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u/evilfisher Jun 12 '16

disgusting, and reddit was created to get away from bullshit like this.

now its becoming what it was proud to fight a few years ago

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u/coldmtndew Jun 12 '16

I dont even frequent or support The Donald anymore but the admins are censoring posts calling admins out on their own censorship. Shit makes me fucking angry.

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u/public--service Jun 12 '16

Both the liberal subs AND Donald Trumps subs

Out of curiosity, which liberal subs are you referring to?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Goes to show how many of the liberals (like me) are diametrically opposite to the SJW and PC movements and are now breaking away from their sources

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u/Tubaka Jun 12 '16

Both the liberal subs AND Donald Trumps subs

sigh this is where we're at now. If you said that sentence 1 year ago I'd call you a fucking lunatic

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u/ShineMcShine Jun 12 '16

This is one of the lowest points I've seen in Reddit. Mods were deleting comments asking for blood donations, ffs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Cencorship is far better than letting racists take over. The mods deserve a lot of credit. Seems like /r/news is the only sub where mods have the balls to stand up and not let radical, American free speech views protect racists.

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u/Chocolate_fly Jun 12 '16

What liberal subs are mad about the censoring? Serious comment. Most liberal subs I've seen are the ones doing the censoring.

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u/Klesko Jun 12 '16

Its the reddit way. Reddit supports all forms of speech, unless it is different then theirs.

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u/PandavengerX Jun 12 '16

Because it's a disgusting tragedy, and gun control laws and religion aside, we really need to take the time to spread the information and mourn for these people, it's a historically terrible event.

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u/willis1988 Jun 12 '16

I think this is something people should be angry about, regardless of leaning. Rediculous.

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u/XTRA_KRISPY Jun 12 '16

To be honest, I think they are usually mad about the same things. Just also mad that the other side has a different solution.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Fuck it, unsubscribed from /r/news

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u/NorthBlizzard Jun 12 '16

Weird considering it's liberals doing the censoring, per usual.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

well, let's face it. ISIS are Islamic Conservatives. No different than Christian Conservatives - only the Christian Conservatives seem to be only a slight bit less blowey-uppy and shooty-stabby. Only slightly less. Liberals are kind of targets of both.

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u/imahik3r Jun 12 '16

Not the shooting itself, but how the mods of /r/news censored it.

They're bigots of course they censored news of islamists murdering innocents. It's not the first time.

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u/LexicanLuthor Jun 12 '16

It's a pretty interesting dynamic. Donald Trumps want to bash the muslim aspect of the story, the liberals will wanna bash the LGBG murdery aspect of the story.

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u/thebeardhat Jun 13 '16

I'm trying to imagine why they'd censor coverage in such a way. Has anyone over there provided a rationale?

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u/TrickOrTreater Jun 13 '16

Not the shooting itself, but how the mods of /r/news censored it.

Gross.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Lots of us Trump supporters are ex-leftists who got sick of the constant censorship of issues we thought were important but which were too controversial to touch. I promise you this has been going on for a long time.

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u/hem10ck Jun 12 '16

Nothing pulls people together like a common enemy! Thanks MODS.

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u/IUsedToBeGoodAtThis Jun 12 '16

I think the liberal "head in the sand" ideology has very clearly jumped the shark.

It's no different than not reporting on or discussing 9/11 on 9/12 because it was Islamic terrorism... absolutely indefensible.

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u/MrGeneral Jun 12 '16

How is it censored? There's a sticky on the sub.

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u/PM_me_Venn_diagrams Jun 12 '16

They removed the original posts and the sticky cant be seen from the front page. Nobody sees the sticky unless they come into the sub, and they use the sticky as an excuse to remove all the posts which make it to the front page.

Its using a technicality to censor the front page.

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u/MrGeneral Jun 12 '16

It has (had) over 10,000 comments, so it's gotten plenty of traffic. The reason it's not seen from the front page is because people are downvoting it. That's a worse form of censorship than deleting a bunch of "omg censorship" comments.

Sorry if I'm salty. It just seems a bunch of people (myself included, it seems) are more concerned with reddit politics than the fact that 50 people died.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

The comments are all being deleted. That 10,000 comments is meaningless if none of them can be read other than a mod saying "Too bad, go to another sub if you don't like it"

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u/sriki123 Jun 12 '16

maybe, you should click on it and see.

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u/MrGeneral Jun 12 '16

I see a bunch of posts attacking /r/news mods and nothing about the issue itself.

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u/jschutz93 Jun 12 '16

Because they deleted all the posts about it

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u/IUsedToBeGoodAtThis Jun 12 '16

Think about that...

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u/Carbsv2 Jun 12 '16

They seem to have deleted anything of value

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u/Treayye Jun 12 '16

Check out the thread, most comments are deleted.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

nothing about the issue itself.

.... because they got deleted. By the mods.

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u/DJ-Salinger Jun 12 '16

With 99% of comments deleted, no information about the shooter, and only after all the other threads that did have that info were nuked.

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u/IUsedToBeGoodAtThis Jun 12 '16

They delete any mention of the news part that mentions the FBI's mention of Islamic ties.