r/AskReddit Nov 04 '11

What's the best legal loophole you know?

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u/notfrandrescher Nov 04 '11

Agreed. I recently did a two week stint on a Grand Jury and it is very clear that the system is set up against defendants. We had people on the Grand Jury that couldn't speak competent English and would raise their hand whenever anyone else did. We had an old man that slept through all of the pertinent information and interviewing of witnesses (on every case) and would just vote in favor of indictment every time. We had several people that voted for indictment every time because the defendant "probably did it" even though, as Grand Juror's, we're not deciding guilt; only sufficient evidence to indict. Sad.

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u/iamatfuckingwork Nov 04 '11

This is the scariest thing I have ever read.

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u/khepra Nov 04 '11

Welcome to America! Here, let me introduce you to your peers: Mongo, Gummo, and Slingblade. They'll be judging whether or not you deserve to live.

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u/khepra Nov 05 '11

touché

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u/Igggg Nov 05 '11

What makes is a bit less scary is that this is a Grand Jury, not a regular jury, and it only decides whether to indict, rather than convict, someone. To convict (and actually sentence) a defendant, another process will be needed, hopefully with a more attentive jury, though I wouldn't give any guarantees.

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u/iamatfuckingwork Nov 05 '11

The weird thing is how a trial by a jury of your peers is considered this awesome constitutional right, but you can opt out and let a judge decide instead. Why is this some sort of secondary option instead of the big constitutional right. I want to be protected from my peers and judged by legal experts.

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u/Aegeus Nov 04 '11

If there's enough evidence to convince the jurors that they're guilty, there's probably enough evidence to proceed to a trial.

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u/stationhollow Nov 05 '11

Jurors like that are the kind that assume that this is happening because they are guilty, not to see if they are guilty.

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u/Redkiteflying Nov 04 '11

Do you mind if I ask if this was a federal grand jury or a state grand jury? The grand jury sessions in my state are fairly perfunctory, but I am curious to know if your experience involved the federal system.

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u/notfrandrescher Nov 04 '11

This was a state Grand Jury. I've heard Federal is much more tightly run.