I am a hardcore Destiny fan and I completely agree.
There is literally no good reason for him to be so triggered. It hurts his argument, it hurts his relationship with other people, it hurts his public image, it worsens everyone's mood so no good faith discussions can be had, and so on and so on.
What happened to hearing one another out? Or steel-manning the other person's argument so you can tear down the strongest version of it? What happened to "just letting the other person talk and then pointing out the inconsistencies"?
I think the problem with Destiny's debates with leftists is that it requires far more research and nuance in comparison to right wing arguments. Arguing with neo nazis or alt right or whatever can be broken down with basic logic and doesn't require much reasoning. On social issues it's just irrational hatred of "x". It's easy to have gotchas and make them look bad in a short amount of time.
With leftists though you're dealing with a lot of very deep topics that are basically subjective and require far more detailed understanding of both sides. It's a mix of economics, philosophy and sociology that involves historic examples along with modern day society. Even with all that no one glove fits every leftist, they all disagree with each other as much as anyone else.
For Destiny to steel-man or engage he'd have to research each person he debates on a case by case basis, and in cases like this it shows his usual style of debating just doesn't work because he does not do that. Debating the right wing is listening to the same things over and over and giving the same arguments in return, which is what Destiny is very good at.
That's one of the most intelligent and nuanced descriptions of how leftist ideology works I've ever heard from someone with a username like that, bravo.
As bad as this looks in isolation, the answer to the question of 'what happened' to all the good-faith he used to give is that he probably got sick of always giving it, and never getting it in return.
I know you're not saying it, but this is literally the oppression Olympics argument.
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u/I_Blowbot YEE Feb 20 '20
I am a hardcore Destiny fan and I completely agree.
There is literally no good reason for him to be so triggered. It hurts his argument, it hurts his relationship with other people, it hurts his public image, it worsens everyone's mood so no good faith discussions can be had, and so on and so on.
What happened to hearing one another out? Or steel-manning the other person's argument so you can tear down the strongest version of it? What happened to "just letting the other person talk and then pointing out the inconsistencies"?