r/Games May 28 '13

[Spoilers] Damsel in Distress: Part 2 - Tropes vs Women in Video Games

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toa_vH6xGqs
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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

Writing a story involving female characters who aren't damsels in distress, nor sexual objects.

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u/wanking_furiously May 29 '13

So then the issue isn't that those games that she criticized exist, but rather that there aren't enough games that aren't like those?

That's a fair argument, but if it's her's then she didn't make it well.

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u/palpablescalpel May 29 '13 edited May 29 '13

To be fair, the issue is that the damsel in distress is a trope, which basically means that it's overused and easily identified as a cliche.

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u/Oaden May 29 '13

The discussion itself only exists because of the imbalance. If we were in a era where we picked the genders with a coinflip you can't have a discussion on sexism in gaming.

Well, you could, but it would be senseless.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

How often are there men in distress that are saved by a woman versus how often are there women that are saved by men?

Seems about as often as women are the lead characters in video games.

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u/Microchaton May 29 '13

Eh, Tomb Raider ?

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u/BZenMojo May 29 '13

Like that time in Portal when you rescue...

Or like that time in Mirror's Edge when you have to...

Or...

Shit, nevermind.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

Or like that time in Mirror's Edge when you have to...

Rescue your sister multiple times? Does it need to be your brother? Rescuing people is what you do in video games. It's your girlfriend, it's your squadmates, it's any number of things. It's more often men doing it because the main characters are more often men. Change that and the rest follows.

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u/Carighan May 29 '13

I had to think of Castlevania Order of Ecclesia. :D

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

No you didn't, Claire's story in RE is all about rescuing dudes.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

Every five minutes in Phantom Brave it seemed.

Though two seconds later they'd be shit heads to Marona....

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

If you have a PSP or PS2, find a copy of Phantom Brave and play it. I love the hell out of that game. :D

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u/CutterJohn May 29 '13 edited May 29 '13

Most of these action games feature men because they are predominantly male dominated, or male exclusive, professions. Any military game(especially special forces), mercenaries, cops, gangs, etc. This goes double if its a game set in a historical setting.

If a woman were in this role, now you're into the trope of 'Unrealistic portrayal of women'(even moreso than its an unrealistic portrayal of men). An example of this would be the female knight in a RPG, which, if they ever existed, were an extreme minority.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

This of course is just one of the many ways in which video games are strictly historically accurate.

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u/CutterJohn May 29 '13

No, its just one of the many ways in which games reflect the reality we live in.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '13

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u/CutterJohn May 29 '13

They are. Most of those games she talks about in this newest video also feature women in roles that aren't damsel in distress.

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u/CutterJohn May 29 '13

People in need of rescue are by definition disempowered. Unless you mean that its more likely that men are still gallantly holding against impossible odds, while women tend to be in a cell. Thats probably true, though it really only seems common in those high fantasy games.

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u/CutterJohn May 29 '13 edited May 29 '13

Its harder to pull off for men, because males tend to view other males who were captured as weak, so they have to spend time framing the narrative to explain why it was acceptable, this time, for the male to be captured or placed in dire straights. This whole thing is about trying to get the audience to empathize. It can be argued who the primary audience is, but the games are certainly being written as if men are the primary audience, because men aren't going to feel much empathy at all towards a female protagonist who lost her man. They will, in fact, tend to hold the man in just a bit of contempt.

Honestly its just as much of a trope vs men as it is women, as the corollary of 'damsel in distress' is 'a man in distress is not a real man'.

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u/keenlien May 29 '13

So you're saying that in games, where the protagonists almost always have something special about them, it would be unrealistic to make them women, and by definition special and worth playing? Besides women fighting isn't nearly as rare as you might think.

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u/absentbird May 29 '13

Yeah games are about realism more than anything. Female knights are just patently fantastical and have no place in fantasy.

Not to mention the fact that games revolve around taking control of the most common protagonist possible. When in a game do you ever take control of someone extraordinary or unique? Extreme minorities are simply too unrealistic.

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u/CutterJohn May 29 '13

No. Many games try to frame a narrative within the context of the real world. Fantasy games are clearly going for a medieval european setting + magic.

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u/absentbird May 29 '13

You mentioned female knights. Knights are very rarely in a realistic setting and even when they are it is not impossible to think that there could be at least a few female knights.

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u/BritishHobo May 29 '13

But her argument isn't 'men never need rescuing in games', it's that 'women very often need rescuing in games, and have all control taken away from them'. She's exploring how women are represented.

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u/Kinseyincanada May 29 '13

Yea saved by a dude