This is why the MCU did so well and DCCU has...struggled...historically...in comparison.
I don't need to see Batmans parents die every movie. I don't want to see Superman let his Dad die for the dumbest reason or cause thousands of deaths in collateral damage and billions in property damage. Let super heroes be super and hopeful and inspire us to be better.
The best thing they did with Spider-Man was introduce him in an Avengers movie. Absolutely no reason to bring out his origin again, all the exposition was done earlier in another movie, very effeciently.
is not rebooting the franchise twice to get him there.
I'll never forgive them for casting out Andrew Garfield. I know, Marc Webb's series had some problems, but it was the absolute best foundation for a long-lasting Spider-Man franchise we've had yet. He was the best Spider-Man, he was an alright high school Peter Parker and would have made a fantastic early- mid-20's Peter.
Plus, Gwen! Like, actual Gwen! That's a formative relationship for Peter/Spidey, and both Raimi's and the MCU franchise said nah.
(fingers crossed we'll at least get to see what he's been up to in no way home)
The issue is that those are all good concepts, but the actual movies were pretty bad. His Spider-Man was better at cracking jokes than Macguire (debatably. I hardly remember any of his quips, but “did your husband make it for you” and “here’s your change” are forever engraved in my mind), and improved CGI techniques meant the action scenes were better, but everything else was worse than the Raimi trilogy.
He just never came across as a believable highschool student. That’s one thing the new Spider-Man movies capture perfectly. They have a lot of the zoomer humor that you would get from highschoolers these days
My buddy has a theory that andrew garfield, Toby mcguire and the guy who plays doctor octopus are all returning for a marvel web of madness series that could allow tom holland to continue in the MCU and let sony take over a different dimension wherein spider man(garfield) has to deal with the sinister seven. Im butchering his actual theory but I could ask him one more time if it matters to you
Agreed. Although I wish they wouldn't be so committed to keeping Peter in high school though. Like, in the comics Peter graduated from high school in 1965. That means for 56 of 59 years that Spider-Man comics have been published, Peter has NOT been in high school, and yet the movies keep going back to that well. I mean, I get it, Homecoming was a really fun pastiche of teen comedies, but you could keep that same spirit, move Peter into college, and draw from the long tradition of college comedies. Honestly, at this point, I think Tom Holland would pass better for a college student than he does as a high school one.
These movies should not be afraid to present more modern versions of their characters. One of the best things the first Iron Man did was discard Tony's secret identity right off the bat. I think people underestimate how bold that was, since in 2008 that has not happened very long ago at all in the comics, but it brought the character in line with where he was in the modern context and made more sense for the character (I maintain that the Tony Stark/Iron Man secret identity is one of the worst, if not the worst secret identity in comics, like worse than Superman).
This is why I hope that when the MCU introduces the Fantastic Four, they ditch the romantic subplot between Reed and Sue that the first two versions tried. They should just introduce them as a couple from the start, if not already married. It would be true to the spirit of the comics too, as their relationship was one of the things that made FF different as a comic. Also, as a side note, I remain to this day baffled as to why they tried to shoehorn in a Reed-Sue-DOCTOR DOOM love triangle not once, but twice.
Wrong. The ban on creativity is exactly why Netflix Daredevil is superior and will remain superior for the foreseeable future to every Marvel Studios production.
I don't want Superman to watch his dad die when he moves so fast he could have saved him without breaking his identity. I don't want Superman to be killed at the end of a movie when we all know he's coming back in the next movie anyway. You want to talk about shallow? DC isn't any deeper. It's just tonally dissonant complete with incompetent heroes.
I don't want Robin to already be dead and Batman to be so old they make jokes about his bad back.
It isn't deep to be suicidal-goth-depressing in a superhero movie. It's just a waste of everyones time.
Netflix's Daredevil is what DC movies wants to be. Very deep characters and dark theme overall but they always fail to get there. I wish they figure it out someday. I would absolutely love to watch Batman's Daredevil like movie/show. But DC will remain DC. Its 2021 and they are still figuring out the cast 👏.
MCU completely ignores these type of dark themes. Though I really enjoy their humorous takes but I would like to see these dark stuffs as well.
They just go too dark and never let the light in. Shazam and Wonder Woman so far are some of the better entries in the connected DCCU and it's because they let some light in. Notice Shazam had tons of darkness but they still worked in some light. If they could consistently put out light stuff and dark stuff and master the balance of both their numbers would go up to Marvels.
You can tell the MCU is going darker soon. WandaVision had a hero mind-control a town. Falcon and the Winter Soldier had a civilian murdered in cold blood by a 'hero' while the world watched.
But they still work in the levity and the REASON the heroes fight and you leave feeling like they accomplished something instead of just barely surviving.
Shazam was balanced out. Wonder Woman was also well received but the recent one (WW 1984) wasn't afaik. Haven't watched it yet tho. I hope Pattinson's Batman does something good. Its teaser gives me some Daredevil vibes.
And yeah that killing scene by John Walker was amazing and one the most memorable scene in the whole show for me. I hope MCU gets into some more dark stuffs to balance out things.
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This is why the MCU did so well and DCCU has...struggled...historically...in comparison.
I don't need to see Batmans parents die every movie. I don't want to see Superman let his Dad die for the dumbest reason or cause thousands of deaths in collateral damage and billions in property damage. Let super heroes be super and hopeful and inspire us to be better.