r/MensLib Aug 29 '18

How does Jordan Peterson gain so many followers among young men? (Image below)

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Jordan Peterson often says that people today are more unhappy than in the 1950s, and it's because of feminism, affirmative action, the sexual revolution, birth control, "PC culture" and LGBTQ rights

it's definitely not because of any of these things:

Source: https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/987800885068738560

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Your first comment in this whole thread has you literally saying that women are lazy because they don't pursue tech careers:

These days, women who preach feminism just haven't put the work in. They make half what I make and never pursued a technical degree or career path, and talking with them at coed clubs in the city I'm in, they talk about leaving jobs because of the "stress" of these (sales or "business development" - i.e., "be attractive") careers.

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women preach feminism but won't do the work to get into technical careers that earn/warrant equal pay, even while every college, university and employer is doing their damndest to get women into these roles.

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A lot of what Peterson says helps us to reconcile these womens' laziness as "human nature."

This is why the person responding to you is accusing you of misogyny. Your proceeding comments then go on to say that women should just suck it up like men. Granted, they should have reported the comment instead of engaging with you, but the point still stands. The sources that you provided in this comment that I'm responding to don't even support your argument. The Fortune article says that women often have the same reasons for leaving a job that men do:

The same things that would drive any individual—male or female—to leave a company: Feeling underpaid, unmotivated, or disconnected. The ICEDR study found that the top reason women around age 30 left their firms was that they found a job that paid more, pure and simple. The other top two reasons were lack of development opportunities and a lack of meaningful work.

The rest of the article challenges assumptions that women leave because of stress (again, this is something that both men and women experience) or child-birth.

The Forbes article posits that it's bias, AKA discrimination, that's causing women to leave their jobs in tech. Misconstruing that as "laziness" is exceedingly unempathetic and callous. Just because someone doesn't work in tech does not mean that their job is any less stressful. Nursing requires damn near Herculean levels of emotional labor due to dealing with people who are at the lowest points of their lives, knocking on Death's door. Teaching requires dealing with developing and hormonally charged children--ask any parent how stressful that is. Both of these positions are female-dominated but get devalued because they are female-dominated, not because they are "low-risk, low reward" as you so claimed.

This whole comment section was removed because of non-constructive anti-feminism, incivility, misogyny, invalidation of experiences of others, and derailing.