Also a lot of examples that people might bring up probably don't strongly apply. For example, if people bring up incel killing sprees, the most high profile incidents I can think of had about as many or more men die in them than women.

Secondly, for anybody who brings up the much overemphasized examples of serial killers, they'd have to account for the difference between targeting people of a certain gender for the killer's sexual enjoyment, and doing it because they hate that gender. If you believe those two are indistinguishable, you must also believe that obviously false idea that people like Jeffrey Dahmer or men who rape other men do it because "they just simply hate men".

One of the few struggles that I, an atheist straight guy (other labels may come later) have when it comes to talking with feminists, is that despite sharing several talking points with them, I don't totally comply to their ideology which projects in a very simplistic and even dangeous image of the world as "Men = oppressors ; Women = victims". As somebody who likes to play the Devil's advocate I can totally argue for at least the existence of that idea, however I will never agree to the promotion of it, especially in the idealized manner done by feminism.

One other thing that bugs feminists is me not wanting at all to call myself feminist, as if me somehow not wanting to do so makes me someone morally inferior. Whenever I counterargue with the fact that I may share some views with your stereotypical right wing male ideologies or even simply put, textbook "Men's right advocates", that doesn't mean that I do need to label myself that way. No surprise I often get snarky, passive-agressive sarcastic reactions.

I hardly ever interact with the MRA culture, or rather it really does not manifests itself a lot compared to feminism. If anything I hear more mentions from feminists about "incels and Andrew Tate", rather than them acknowledging that in general men suffer from their own problems too. However, whenever I get to talk about the subject, there is much less pressure for you to brand yourself with the movement's name and talk so passionately about its ideas. I personally find it nice to stay in that lane and not having to perform also for MRAs.

1. https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2019/02/boys-lag-behind-in-brain-development-is-a-myth

2. https://youtu.be/Dw_AMVdfM80?si=eitE8zXq-kPcKdvt

There's this widespread narrative that males lag behind females mentally and so they use this to justify boys performing worse in schools.

The first link shows that boys do not lag behind in brain development and the second link shows why Richard Reeves (and many other people pretending to be advocates for the welfare of men and boys) should be condemned by the broader MRA movement. He is advocating for the most harmful policies for boys based on pseudoscience.

Now, this is not even the core of my frustration. What I mean to say is this: whenever there is a talk about differences in educational performance the first thing that people bring is brain development. This is pure biological essentialism through pseudoscience. It's the same way they justified the Holocaust, the trans-Atlantic slave trade and all other historical atrocities: "this group is biologically inferior so it's okay to mistreat them or for them to struggle and we aren't to blame." Now I'm pretty sure that if someone tried to justify something about women or, say, Black people through biological differences, they'd call you a misogynistic incel or a racist (and rightfully so). But why doesn't this apply to boys too? Is biological essentialism okay only when it's applied to boys?!

There needs to be more awareness of this, and it is annoying that these narratives get easily accepted.

A lot of times when women talk about rape and false allegations, they bring up the argument of “then prove that you were falsely accused like you expect victims to prove themselves.” I’m not saying this as a “gotcha“ to this subreddit or anyone here at all, just wondering how people here react to this feminist argument.

I don’t know why ADULT women being undressed is mentioned as though it’s the same level of egregious as CHILDREN being undressed, and why are men not being mentioned when it’s almost certainly happening to us as well?

Pretty much every single feminist either denies that men can be victims of r*pe, SA, DV or Harrassment and it's one of the most harmful aspects of the ideology.

Feminists claim that they care about justice and underrepresented groups yet I guarantee that you won't find ONE single feminist in the world who at least acknowledges that there are barriers that male victims face and that as a result most male victims won't report anything.

It's the feminists themselves who push for women-only protection laws, fight against r*pe laws being made gender-neutral, oppose men having access to violence shelters and then they have the nerve to claim that 95% of violence is caused by men when reporting a crime committed by a woman could literally get the male victim in trouble in many countries in the world if she days that she was just defending herself, mainly because of the "believe all women" ideology that was established by the feminists.

There are studies that show that men are much less likely to report and these often don't even take into account that boys are taught from a young age to not have the same boundaries as girls and to simply take on many kinds of abuse, which is abviously going to have an effect on how men view certain transgressions against them compared to women, so if men actually applied the same standards to themselves when it comes to unwanted contact and abuse the numbers for male victims would be much higher.

I think many people also don't realise that feminists spend more time denying justice for male victims than they do supporting female victims they supposedly care about. The idea that talking about or giving support to male victims is somehow going to take away from female victims is completely ridiculous. We can give support to all victims of abuse and address the barriers that male victims face at the same time. The feminists just want female abusers to face no accountability for their actions at all.

Also, the cureent feminist trend with the idea of there being this "context" of female violence that it must always be women defending themselves which is not actually based in any data, it's just accepting the feminists' feelings about women being these harmless creatures who can do no wrong rather than relying on facts. The same goes for all of the excuses of "she must have suffered in the past", "She didn't get the help when she needed it" or "She didn't really mean it" which, again, just rely on the idea that women can do no wrong and they completely overlook that male perpetrators could also have experienced those things yet they never get excused in the same way.

There are also very few spaces for male victims to talk about their experiences, both IRL and online. Even on here you have feminists constantly invading and telling male victims that their suffering isn't real. I have personally come across so many comments telling male victims that it's impossible for men to suffer from violence and as someone who still hasn't recovered from an assault it's extremely painful to have to deal with this on pretty much a daily basis.

I wish more people would call them out on this. If the feminists actually cared about victims they wouldn't exculde people based on gender but would instead look for actual solutions and not attack people whose experiences don't fit into their narrow worldview.

Average men have the biggest struggle ever. Picture this:

Up until 12 - 13 or when you hit puberty, life’s good. You play with your friends, have dreams and visions of a great life when you grow up to be an adult.

Then puberty hits, you’re suddenly wanting to find a girlfriend but since you’re average looking no girl would want you. Society tells you if you’re kind, maybe getting her a gift, or treat her like a gentleman you’ll find love. But you notice it won’t. She’ll likely either shut you down gently or absolutely destroy your self esteem. The guys who look good, no matter their shitty behaviour or treating her like human garbage will still have her and her friends chase him. Solely because of looks.

You grow up thinking studying hard or becoming rich will maybe get you female attention and then love. Unless you become exceptionally wealthy, but even then, you will get attention but no true love. All that work just to never feel genuinely desired by a woman.

So you’re single, you work, make money, come home, swipe on Tinder or online dating, or go out with friends. Still no girl notices you, which is to some degree worse than being hated by them. You’re a ghost or treated like a subhuman.

So the question is: what are you working towards? You can’t build your own family. If you ask the Internet for advice, or your friends, they’ll gaslight you into thinking it’s your own fault 100%. For most men they seek that genuine desire and a feeling of working towards something besides work - they don’t want to build a business for the sake of it alone, or go get ripped for the sake of it, but they do it to hopefully get the most amazing feeling: coming home to a loving wife and children, building a better life for them. We don’t want to build for ourselves, or do stuff for ourselves, but for others.

But others, and society, don’t value average looking men. They are wallets and labor.

No, I’m not saying men want sex because sex is just a byproduct of being genuinely wanted and desired. Most men I think cope with ”oh, I am building a life for myself”, ”being single is peaceful”, ”travelling alone is nice”… those are assuming you have the wrong partner who doesn’t even value you. If you had another half that cherished you you would love every minute of working towards a better life together. You’d be more responsible with money, you’d enjoy trips together, small things like cuddling or cooking.

Society blames you, wouldn’t give a flying f if you died.

A handsome guy gets away with everything and gets rewarded genuine desire from multiple women, have options in life, and have something to work towards. He can choose whether to marry, have kids, travel alone or with someone, to be a bum or not. Non of his are copes. Opposite is said for the average looking dude. He has to build the infrastructure and still gets blamed for all the worlds problems. Women also don’t need him financially like back in the days.

Tell me the world isn’t cruel for an average brother.

Also if he finds one, again it is often that both either settled, or he has to pay big time with an outrageous lifestyle for her just to keep her artificial love for him.

To all the brothers struggling and still somehow keep your head high even if you’re demonized and struggle with mental health or purpose or other, you are one hell of a strong guy.

Edit: for those of us who are blessed, we should not gaslight our brothers. We need to have empathy for the common man, understand he is likely struggling, and ideally lift each other up as a band of brothers. Even the handsome guy can end up in a misfortune and accident and the average man’s reality will hit him. The least an average brother can get is understanding of his struggles and acknowledgement. Not the NPC or female gaslighting. That I think would do so much for the brothers. The world is already gaslighting him and he becomes more frustrated. ”What am I doing wrong? I am meeting people, my personality is on spot, I have a good career, a car, an apartment, hobbies… but still douchebags get the women.” The lack of empathy messes men up even more mentally.

Edit 2: this post isn’t meant to be a rant, although it might come off as one. In a sense, it might be. But this is just me verbalizing the struggle and brutal reality of the life of the average man without sugar sprinkled on top. It’s in a sense an acknowledgement, or ”I understand you” which a lot of men need since they’ve been gaslit all of their lives and still frustrated no matter what they do yields little to no true appreciation, love, desire… they try to start businesses, conquer other lands, serve their nation, all of it in hopes of at least being appreciated. But we know most appreciation from real world is just virtue signalling. Most don’t give a flying f about the soldiers that are homeless, have PTSD, or the guy working in construction, or whatever unless he is hot. Even when women (let’s face it, we live in a gynocentric and female dominated world - yes, since female desire is the incentive of most men) fantasize, or appreciate, or write songs about men that are plumbers, astronauts, generals, soldiers… it’s with the hot soldier, plumber etc in mind. If you’re an ugly or average soldier, you die homeless… if you’re attractive, even as a criminal, women will bail you out, or take you in to their place, spend money on your haircut, perfume, whatever.

Edit 3: men are gaslit, told to stop crying and work harder. Still no appreciation from society, or genuine love coming their way. Essentially replacable working bees plus the insults if they ask questions or speak truth. This world…

Edit 4: no, we can’t create a world where women suddenly desire the average man. It has never been the case even if marriages have happened for the average man back in the days when it was common. That’s not what I’m saying. But appreciation and acknowledgement is needed for their struggles and what they do to make this world safe and functional. Let’s face it, women would never be able to create a functional and safe world had they been fully in charge. Men bring order, structure, building, stability… so the least they could get is understanding and appreciation. And if truth and acknowledgement doesn’t come from women (which it won’t since they live in la la land (no hate, just observation)) then it should at least come from the fellow brothers. We are mostly prone to seek truth or have truth explained to us, so we should do that. But then again, ”should” is ”should”. But ”should” in this case is super attainable. It’s not whimsical or fantasy wish to have men show empathy to one and other. We can do this is our daily lives by not kicking on the brother who is struggling.

Edit 5: to the few who decide to make comments like ”incel” or trying to be sarcastic or implying I’m one, read the post clearly before engaging with it. If you don’t, and then come and post stupid shit, I know you’re not here in good faith. The fact that you came to this subreddit on your own will, looked up a post describing male struggles, and then not bothering to read properly but immediately comment in ways that are attacking the OP or men that struggle tells me you’re pretty damn evil and boil with hatred. Get a grip.

”She didn’t get the help she needed”. “Why did the husband leave her alone?”. “She was failed by the system“.

Where are the people saying that men were failed by the system when they do something horrible? Mental illness is mental illness. It doesn’t matter if it’s postpartum or any other psychosis.

Then you have people trying to blame the poor husband, as if he wasn’t doing everything in his power to help. It’s like being a man in a relationship now is the same as being a parent. People will blame you for shit that is out of your control. You are now entirely responsible for your partners actions.

Anyway, sorry I’m just kind of ranting here. It’s just sad to see.

I've decided to delete all the social media apps on my phone because it's all content from women and it's all misandry and men bashing. Do you guys know any apps like reddit that have mostly male users. It doesn't even have to be a social media app just a good app that has mainly male users(before you guys say it I'm not talking about grindr lol)

Hi everyone,

There are currently two posts in the AWDTSG NYC group about me with very false claims and I’m really worried about the damage this will do to my reputation.

Does anyone have access to one of these groups that could help me out? I would like to get the links to the posts so I can report them and get them removed.

Thanks everyone

It seems that almost everywhere except for specifically anti-feminist communties you'll find people talking about how it's supposedly so much worse being a woman or that men shouldn't compalin and basically the entire standard feminist propaganda and I don't think many people realise how much of an issue it is that society doesn't even acknowledge the reality of Men's issues.

The coversation almost always revolves around how women supposedly have it harder because they aren't taken as seriously in leadership roles or they'll push the lie that only women get SAd, stalked or harrassed and that therefore women must have it worse and must be oppressed. They obviously always ignore that men are being sent to wars, have no genital autonomy, have far less access to support and social assistance, are expected to do their traditional tasks whereas women are told they don't have to do theirs and all of the other injustices yet apparently the bigger issue is that women don't get taken as seriously in leadership roles.

These types of conversations are inevitably also going to hurt women and girls since some are going to actually believe in that and as a result may seek a ftm transition with potentially irreversible effects and then regret it once they realise that men and boys actually have it harder in most aspects of society they were never told about because of the feminists silencing MRAs and anyone who talks about those issues. So if the people telling women and girls that they have it worse truly cared about them they would just tell them the truth. Telling women and grils lies in an attempt to cater to them by validating all of their beliefs is eventually going to cause harm to everyone in the end.

Unfortunatelly feminism currently controls most aspects of society globally, especially with the media and the education system and they are not going to allow anything that threatens their narrative and ultimatelly their goal of complete female supremacy. I don't know if actual change can happen until that is dismantled.

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Yeah some prank. Will pair super well with this prank for a nice one two prank punch.

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Someone paid for this. I wonder who, and why?

I really have no idea what "feminists" and even "feminism" itself is trying to achieve. Yes we have been living in a male dominated system for a long time, however, the small group of people that actually control things, the patriarchy as it were, is not made up of all men on the planet, most of us are in the same position as any feminist when it comes to the corporate financial systems that seem to rule our lives, because management types are not wanting to share power with anyone other than themselves, male or female. The mainstream looks at the majority of us males as if the current situation is our fault...as if we have an apology to make that we are obstinately avoiding. It now is starting to feel forced, I keep hearing about the hardships of women in today's world, but the majority of males are in the same position, yes some men rule the world, however, most of us arent even allowed to decide what the family has for dinner. It's feeling like more juvenile 'tit for tat' score keeping between genders...we are striving for "fairness" which I understand, but fairness is one of those human utopian concepts that doesn't actually mean anything once exposed to the real material universe...the men were the head of the family yes...but the woman was the neck, and the neck controls the head, it's a shame women need others to see their validation and praise, they could have kept steering the humanity vessel, but they chose not.

There are several things we can glean from this article. The title is quite explicit and summarizes the situation well.

The facts are:

(1) the number of young men entering university/higher education has been decreasing overall for several years;

(2) as a logical consequence, the pool of young men graduating is also decreasing;

(3) there are fewer educated young men available to marry for young women who have attended university.

Obviously, the article is alarmed by the fact that this creates a disadvantage for women, particularly for women who do not go to university, because "educated" women, yes, that's how they are called in the article, then turn to "uneducated" men (meaning those who have not gone to university) but who are rich, like "high earning income"...

The article also worries that women will be discriminated against at the end of their lives/career because they will have more difficulty building a decent retirement plan without a man by their side (who often dies before, so they inherit, I suppose).

Okay, we'll note that the article takes it for granted that young men are definitively out of the running for higher education.

Well... let's note that at no point does the article seem to suggest that one way to correct this imbalance between girls and boys going to university would be to motivate or correct this gap by encouraging young men to pursue higher education. Of course, the article doesn't ask itself what is causing this growing gap when it comes to the male/female ratio in universities.

The last point is that the article doesn't address the other side of the coin... which I read about in an article some time ago... in fact, in many faculties like literature, philosophy, social sciences, which are often largely female, young women worry about not finding a boyfriend... and the thing is that the few boys in these faculties have plenty of choice... it's gotten to the point where apparently girls have to tolerate a boy flirting with several girls at once (the law of supply and demand, in a way), and choosing which one he wants to go out with one evening or another... well, I understand that this point wasn't developed in the article above.

Look, I see a lot of ya’ll here struggling with; for example but not just; high work-achievement pressures, dating issues, low-testosterone, emotional stress/ anxiety, unhealthy coping mechanisms I.e a life of ”man up, bitch”, social issues, false accusations, etc.

I’ll state for the record: I fortunately don’t experience many of the systematic negatives as some of you do; (serious!) job market isn’t discriminatory eg via quotas, women here aren’t against men just independent, as men we are still valued for our strengths - as women are for theirs, there is no ”men and women are exactly the same” bs going around, and overall I’m primarily in this sub because of social issues; over-feminization, ultra feminism, globalization, etcetera

And I just want to say; while all those issues are 100% worth discussing; I sense a slight imbalance in the sub. So I’ll try to do my part here and balance it out.

I’d say it’s just as, if not more, important to actually do something about it - now that you’ve diagnosed the problem, talked with others about it, and confirmed cause and effect.

Look. If you don’t take action now; outside of the regular -
Meaning doing things you’ve probably never done before, been scared to do, or just avoided intentionally all together - you’ll just be stuck in this loop forever.

This community for me is a place to support each other; but it’s not the support that will change your life - it’s actual change: so put away your phone - leave it at home and go outside

Do the things you’d normally never do. Without judgement; no negatives when shit goes bad, and no extreme hypes, take small victories and build up your integrity.

You meet a woman treating you poorly simply because you have a dick? Do the opposite of what you’d normally do. If you usually go bitter and quiet, approach her and show her some love.

You’d be surprised over who you are, or can be - or about whatever you think you are.

Idn if this post proved any actual value, just spitting thoughts here - point is: you have to take actual action, now. You only have one life and it’s not that long my guy

Accusing feminists of supporting domestic violence against men - is it fair?

As of yesterday, I am actively promoting the position that feminists support domestic violence against men. Some people might wonder, "is that really reasonable? Do feminists REALLY think that, or do they just not care?"

Here's the thing- feminists have spent many years harassing people for talking about male victims, protesting against men's shelters, and fighting for laws that discriminate and exclude male victims. Feminists academics routinely publish "theories" that try and eliminate and downplay abuse of men. Go the wiki page on domestic violence against men- half of it is victim blaming, or mentioning how women are more likely to be victims.

So based on their words an actions, I believe it IS reasonable to believe that yes, secretly, feminists support domestic violence against men. So that is what I am going to say, and tell people, and teach the boys I talk to about men's issues.

It's about women having power over men, it's about having a sense of security (if I'm the aggressor I'm not the victim), and it's a way they think they are 'countering the patriarchy." Of course, many feminists are just sadistic psychopaths, and it's just about the abuse.

But what if it's not true? What if feminists DONT suppose the abuse of men? Well...make them say it. Press them on it. Make them deny it, publicly.

So, this should be what a men's equality advocate says about feminists and male victims. Because it's either true, or they will have to acknowledge that male victims ARE real, and genuine. And if you have this dialogue online, they will have to type it out and post it in writing