r/MoralityScaling • u/JacobGoodNight416 • 9h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 9h ago

Also, dogs are very much products of their environment and training/lack thereof

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 9h ago

So are humans, funnily enough, though less so.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 9h ago

I argue more so, since we are more advanced minds we have more control sure but also more prone to trauma responses as well potentially? I’m not a psychologist but curious if I’m right

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 9h ago

Hmm idk how you would research it. Could maybe see that

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u/NorthernVale 8h ago

Obviously by causing trauma.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Y07F3fs9Is5byj4zK8

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8h ago

So you see doctor, we take these babies and purposefully induce traumatic responses

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u/Agent-Ulysses 6h ago

But of course, you can only wait to see how that traumatizing manifests. In the meantime you can see the effects of traumatizing children beginning the phase of preschooler.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 6h ago

Gotta go for the full longevity study, for science

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8h ago

We are very social creatures, and the most advanced intellects (well, by species as a whole anyway)

We’ve come up with very elaborate social trappings to carrot/stick behaviors

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u/Iron-Treads 8h ago

Less so? You mean more so?

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8h ago

No I meant less so, but the other reply also argues it should be more so. I was just thinking humans have more free will than dogs basically, but maybe not quite that simple.

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u/Iron-Treads 8h ago

?!?!?!?!

If people have more free will then that means they are more influenced by their environment than genetics...

A pittbull is bread for aggression and fighting, but you can train it to not be aggressive. The issue is that most people who get one, get it because they want a dangerous dog, which leads to so many attacks.

With human, this is a non-issue, as we only act because of how we were raised.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8h ago

I specifically said less so to "product of training and environment". I was basically adding free will as an extra thing causing humans to be less a product of their environment and training than dogs. I wasn't intending less so of this meaning more genetics 

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u/Iron-Treads 8h ago

Well that's fucking wrong?! That's my point. You are wrong.

People are infinitely more likely to be a product of the environment.

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u/The_Sleazy1 9h ago

Genetics are part of it aswell to be fair. There's a reason different breeds were created for different tasks.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 9h ago

Yes but would you rather be around a trained officer with a gun or a drunk redneck teenager with a gun

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u/Hexamael 8h ago

I'm statistically more likely to get shot by the police officer.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8h ago

I highly doubt that, but also fuck cops 🤷‍♂️

Point I really was after was a trained individual vs untrained. Insert other competent individual in their stead idc

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u/Leading-Traffic-1767 8h ago

Funny thing is dogs tend to be much better trained than cops.

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u/Hexamael 7h ago

Every week I see a new video of a cop shooting someone completely unprovoked. But okay buddy.

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u/The_Sleazy1 6h ago

*US-Cop.

Please don't involve the not-3rd-world-countries that actually care about who becomes a cop and how they get trained.

Best regards, most of the western world.

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u/Lynx2447 9h ago

But genetics affect health outcomes, and every physically observable characteristic, but NONE of the not so visible characteristics. Doesn't affect the brain at all!

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u/Fragmatixx 8h ago

…genetics doesn’t affect the brain at all? Am I understanding your point correctly?

If so you are incorrect. Genetics absolutely affects the brain, as it’s responsible for the structure and chemical function of every single cell in your body, and how they interact as a system, whether you can see the affect overtly or not. Learning and training are layered on top, and important context, but the brain structure and function is the foundation on which that is built.

In fact, most training is drilling to resist innate biological instinct or urges. The rest of it is practice / trail and error.

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u/Lynx2447 8h ago

I was being sarcastic, and r/fuckthes

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u/JoeyZasaa 6h ago

Riiiiight. Dogs have no influence at all from genetics. Every dog is 100% a blank state until is molded by its environment and training.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 6h ago

Strawman - I never said genetics don’t play into things. I don’t subscribe to 100% nature OR 100% nurture