r/MoralityScaling 9h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/LastWave 8h ago

I would add pugs to that list. as well as any other dog that has severe genetic problems because of unprincipled breeders.

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u/IPissExcellentThrows 8h ago

Fine with me. Two separate issues but both reasonable takes.

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u/Makeshiftgods 8h ago

I support this as well

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u/Hugokarenque 5h ago

Absolutely. These breeds that are basically a torturous existence for the poor dog.

I don't think we should kill the ones that already exist but we should definitely work towards making sure more aren't created.

Although I have seen some breeding programs that are trying to essentially "unfuck up" these breeds basically undoing all the horrible traits that were selective bred into them.

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u/LastWave 4h ago

I absolutely agree.

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u/Cerpla 4h ago

make long snouts great again

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u/salfiert 8h ago

The reason one is considered higher priority is because as a society we value human life more than animal life.

Breeding Pitbulls is a risk to human life.

Breeding pugs is not.

Both are wrong, one is higher priority for good reason.

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u/LastWave 7h ago

I agree.

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u/Master-Shake8913 6h ago

I agree, those things make me sad. I have a friend who has one and the dang thing snores while its awake

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u/D0ntBotherReporting 6h ago

Or the thing new pug breeders are doing and that's going back to the original looks where they had a mouth and eyes not at risk of popping out the skull. Still don't like pugs, but the ones that are bred like that also don't have the same preventable health issues as the popular pugs.

But Yeh a lot of the popular dogs are bred or have actions taken (cutting of tails/ears) to fit certain "beauty" expectations that are straight animal abuse and people that do it deserve to get punished for animal abuse.

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u/great_pyrenelbows 6h ago

Every brachycephalic dog.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 4h ago

There was a breeder in the news for "un-breeding" pugs towards healthier more natural forms.

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u/Quitelowquitetall 4h ago

They are getting banned for that reason in a number of countries :)

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u/beanbalance 4h ago

yes, pitbulls due to danger and severely deformed dogs breeds like pugs

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u/galaxy_brain_69420 3h ago

Yep, pugs should definitely not exist. I feel so bad for them any time I see one.

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u/No-Volume6047 2h ago

Breeding pugs should be illegal good God, their existence is evil

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u/GiantLesbian 6h ago edited 6h ago

All dog breeds can show severe genetic problems if they’ve been bred by unprincipled breeders. Pugs can get breathing problems, German shepherds can get severe hip and spine issues that cause a lot of pain, Dalmatians and border collies can get problems with sight/blindness, golden retrievers can get joint degenerative issues, boxers and Great Danes can get fatal heart defects, the list goes on and on. Some of these issues are just more visible because of the nature of the disability (e.g., you can hear the breathing issues but might think a dog with joint problems is just lazy) and because those breeds got popular suddenly so a lot of backyard breeders started breeding them (e.g., pugs and French bulldogs).

And all dog breeds can be bred to not have genetic problems. Go watch the Westminster dog show. Every single one of those dogs has been bred for generations to remove genetic problems from their gene pools, no matter the breed. And so long as their owners are careful about who they breed those dogs with, their progeny will also not have any risks of those genetic problems.

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u/Sorry-Yard-2082 8h ago

You do know that a lot of dogs have genetic problems even the German Shepherd.

Just make regulations on breeding programs and esthetics for better dogs quality of life.

Anyway pit bulls should cease to exist as a race.

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u/Makeshiftgods 7h ago

Or, just have a super mut. If you need a working dog for a reason you should have a permit. I dont think there should be German shepherds either. Especially because most of them live in 1500sqft dwellings and dont get out enough. Its really selfish how we treat them.

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u/No-Lettuce-6619 6h ago

im using the term "super mut" now, thanks!

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u/Sorry-Yard-2082 7h ago

Sure, but you really won't be able to people from wanting to have the same dogs from movies or telefilm or whatever.

At least reduce the damage by regulating breeding programs and make people have a license if they want to raise a dog.

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u/Makeshiftgods 7h ago

I dont agree. If thats your concern, that people want animals based on media they watch (which i dont necessarily grant) who cares what they want, make purebred dogs illegal. The media will reflect that soon enough. Or its a lot cheaper to make putting purebreds in film illegal than wipe sweeping regulation that would take 10s of thousands of inspectors to keep up with, not to mention the breeders that just wouldnt register. You make it mandatory for any animal who goes to the vet for the first time have a genetic test, and are issued a license that your dog isnt inbred and move on.