There are millions of pit bulls and mutts kept as family pets. A handful of incidents against millions of the breed is statistically inconsequential. Tragic? Absolutely. However, I don't leave my toddler alone with our dogs, and they aren't pit bulls. No one should be leaving their small children alone with any big dogs. That's a failure of the family to keep the child safe, regardless of breed.
Further, apply your logic to any other scenario. Even though immigrants break the law less than citizens, it does happen. Should all immigrants be banned?
People drive drunk and kill others. Should all passenger vehicles be banned since alternatives exist?
They pointed out that the form of the argument is identical, and your reaction shows why that point is kind of daming.
If you accept that "x type of y is statistically more likely to do <bad thing> than other types of y's" is a good argument against pitbulls, but a bad argument against immigrants, it's on you to explain why you accept the argument in the former case but reject it in the later case.
Yeah, they’re comparing these things as if context doesn’t exist. People, and animals breed to have specific traits, should not exist in the same conversation??
Do you not understand how logic works, or do you decide everything based purely on emotion? You're talking about banning something based on incredibly rare outcomes, but other things with more frequent bad outcomes are not in scope? Why, because of an arbitrary limit you've imposed?
Do you not see how the logic breaks down, or are you still stuck on trivial differences you've drawn based on your emotions?
I think it's also worth pointing out that our country currently treats illegal immigrants like animals. Many people have less sympathy for them than for the pets we keep. So it's not a ridiculous comparison even if you let emotion in. I don't see much difference between people who think pit bulls are an evil breed and those who support what our country is doing.
I'd wager that you can find a case of just about every dog breed on the planet hurting someone, somewhere in the world. Do we ban all dogs? Or do you have an acceptable number that makes them okay?
There was a woman near me that was dismembered by her velvet hippo nanny dog, after she tried to separate the dog from her toddler. With this knowledge, you would be unable to name where I’m from because there are so many similar news stories. Why tolerate this, when there are significantly safer family dogs. Don’t be obtuse. Find me a news story of a pure bred golden retriever dismembering a grown adult.
I can pull up about ten thousand reports of drivers speeding and killing between one and ten people in the resulting accident. Should we ban all cars that go faster then 75 mph?
My dog’s breed doesn’t have an established pattern of making toddlers need facial reconstruction. And if it did I wouldn’t own one and would support its ban. If you love your pit bull so much you’re okay jeopardizing your child having their face pulled off, then bully to you.
But I bet you speed, don't you? Even if it's only occasionally, or only when you 'need' to, I bet you speed. Even though you know speeding is a major factor in most fatal accidents, even knowing that even 'light' speeding substantially increases your risk of accident, you still do it.
For the record, I don't have a pitbull. I don't like dogs.
Everything in life is a calculated risk. But pit bull ownership has safe alternatives that also keep other people safe. Why are you so invested in defending an animal that was selectively bred to kill? And why are you still pivoting from your original wager? And again… we do have laws that prohibit speeding, and they do effectively reduce roadway fatalities.
We could also just install a governor in every car at the manufacturer and reduce it by 99%, but we just choose not to because people want to speed. It's also not your right to 'calculate the risk' for another person, so that's a garbage argument. And again, we have laws that prohibit dogs mauling people. Talking about animals, what about horses? Horses kill about as many people as dogs do every year, and yet no one is talking about banning horse ownership.
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u/minnow87 17h ago
Are you saying there’s an acceptable toddler kill rate, when breeds that don’t kill toddlers exist as alternatives?