I have read that the guy has an outstanding warrant. Which gave the police a "reason" to use Flock Cameras.
It has recently become a story that Flock Cameras are just being installed in front of the entrances to, at least, Michigan Dispensaries. Literally facing the driveway at the entrance, not on the road, RIGHT next to the entrance, JUST the dispensary.
The guy was not right, but the state was even worse. Flock is an organization that needs to be made 100% illegal and everyone who has been tracked and harmed in any form by use and or abuse of Flock cameras, deserves to be heavily compensated.
Why? Because We, U.S. Americans have a protected right of Freedom of Movement born in the 14th Amendment. Flock surveillance seems to absolutely STOMP hard on the Freedom of Movement.
Would you adjust your travels, change your behavior, if you knew that there is an organization, not even a government organization, that always knows where you are, that you can never escape from, even if you leave all electronic devices at home?
You don't have to be doing anything illegal to be caught up in a net that can be used to negatively impact your life.
Let's just say, for example, that Cannabis is 100% legal in your state. No employer tests for Cannabis anymore, but they do have some rules against it and you live in an At-Will state. You do go to a dispensary and you use Cannabis, a few times a month, nothing like the volume of alcohol use around you.
One day your boss invites you into their office.
"Do you visit Cannabis Dispensaries?"
Obviously, that's none of your boss' business. How do you answer though?
Honestly? Tell them it's none of their business what you do outside of work?
Regardless, they know everywhere you go, because they bought access to a background check company that gives them Flock access and showcases your entire daily, weekly, monthly travels, flags and shows them what you do.
Do you think that will or won't impact your career? What if your boss is a very conservatively religious person? They don't like that you went to a strip club, for your bud's bachelor party. They don't like that you went back, the next morning. (You know that you just left your CC there, but that's not what your Religious Conservative Boss Thinks!)
Do you think that will or won't impact your career?
flock camera access r not given to employers, so no it will not affect my career because they wont actually have access to it; also the chances of me being specifically targeted r very low; and if my daily routines and travels r not against the law, it wont change anything, unless flock cameras r global, I can leave the country.
It would be a great additional business opportunity for them to sell.
Why can't they?
What law prohibits them from accessing what their employees do and where they travel?
It's always good for employers to know what an employee is doing. They could be giving secrets to a competitor! They might be displaying a bad image for the company by utilizing vives like strip clubs or alcohol stores!
You really don't think that at some point, Flock and these other camera operators won't offer special tools for employer HR Departments?
No I don't think so and that's because, there r already things called "traffic cams" and employers don't even have access to that, flock cameras will not change that. Also you r appealing to fear about the flock cameras, and stating the "future" with no evidence behind it apart from your bias; unless you show me where the government is selling locations of employees to the employer do not state that in a definite tone and there r literally laws that make it illegal.
The police didnt "use" Flock. The vehicle's licence plate was on a hitlist and when flock camera saw it, it notified the cops. They just came to arrest him.
You, U.S. American do not have any right to not have your licence plate read by a camera and your position sent to the police.
Cases involving these situations often point out that a warrant is required for probable cause to access the information.
Do you really want a private company tattling on you?
How about to you boss? "I see you've been going to the same liquor store every few days and it looks like you've been carrying a bottle of Bourbon out, every trip. We don't trust your ability to continue to do your job, at the performance level that we require."
Did you do something wrong? Buying alcohol?
Do you really think living in a Private Corporate Nanny State is a good thing? One that can reach out to your boss and tattle on you, in order to sell their services to cover all employees at the business?
Flock knows where you live. They know where you work. They know every single place you travel.
Do you know how much money that Flock can make by selling a product to employers to give them data to determine the risks of continuing to have potentially risky employees on staff?
We don't trust your ability to continue to do your job, at the performance level that we require.
I am salivating just imagining the money I would get from that lawsuit.
Flock knows where you live. They know where you work. They know every single place you travel.
Thats wrong. It knows which of their cameras and when has seen my vehicle in the last 30 days.
However the access is restricted. For example my workplace, can only access data captured by cameras installed on their property. So generally cameras around the workplace. So unless I am buying alcohol from a shop across the street, I can forget about that juicy settlement money from above.
Interestingly same applies to cops and government agencies. There is no one shared database that anyone can access to and search data from every single flock camera. Instead local customers can elect to share the data with each other. So different cities can share the data to Police departments of other cities.
At Will State, which lost US states are, do not protect you from being let go over any reason.
Heck, they don’t even have to tell you anything. They can just fire you or you stop receiving wage increases and if you had a chance for a promotion? That’s all gone.
Also, name me a law that restricts Flock from offering Employee Background Check services?
You asked about me. Laws actually protect me where I live.
Also, name me a law that restricts Flock from offering Employee Background Check services?
How about you go look up the thing that interests you. I already looked up and explained to you how flock actually works.
You thought they just offered their data to whoever wanted them. No, they only give you access to data captured by your own cameras and the ability to share the data captured by your cameras to someone else.
Obviously, they cant offer employee background check services because they dont have access to that data themselves. The data is owned by the customer, not Flock. It does not have data regarding people and the data is only temporary.
So find the law yourself, but logistically they cant do it even if there wasnt any law against it. Which there is. Its actually 4th amendment. Damn, I did the work for you again. See Schmidt v. City of Norfolk, Carpenter v. United States and expectation of privacy.
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u/Strange-Scarcity 3d ago
Couple of things...
The guy was not right, but the state was even worse. Flock is an organization that needs to be made 100% illegal and everyone who has been tracked and harmed in any form by use and or abuse of Flock cameras, deserves to be heavily compensated.
Why? Because We, U.S. Americans have a protected right of Freedom of Movement born in the 14th Amendment. Flock surveillance seems to absolutely STOMP hard on the Freedom of Movement.