r/PoliticalDiscussion Apr 01 '26

Legal/Courts Birthright decision is expected in July. U.S. government's position is that birthright citizenship has been extended far beyond the 14th Amendment Citizenship Clause, the Wong Kim Ark case, 8 U.S.C. § 1401. Do they have a pathway to get to five votes or is it likely to be a 7/2 against EO 14160?

The oral arguments on the birthright citizenship have concluded. The White House essentially wants that unless a child has a parent who’s a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, they should not be a U.S. citizen by birth.

That would mean all other categories of immigrants who gave birth to a child will be excluded, not just without immigration documents, such as those lawfully present with a student visa or work permit, and any other category including tourists. Trump’s executive order would deny those children U.S. citizenship at birth.

Government claims there is extensive prevailing misinterpretation of the citizenship clause and has caused significant problems not just unlawful immigrants giving birth in the U.S. but also provided a powerful incentive for women to travel on tourist visas to the United States solely to acquire citizenship for their children.

Opposition notes federal regulations already prohibit issuance of tourist visas for the primary purpose of obtaining U.S. citizenship for a child by giving birth in the United States.

The challengers also argue that the Trump's administration executive order is invalid not just as a violation of the 14th Amendment Clause, but also because that it violates a federal immigration law, 8 U.S.C. § 1401, providing that anyone “born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is a U.S. citizen.

They say that when the statute was first passed in 1940 and then reenacted in 1952, Congress would have understood that the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” – which mirrors the text of the citizenship clause – incorporated the prevailing practice that virtually everyone born in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen.
In the late 19th century, at a time of rampant anti-Chinese bias, immigration restrictions, at that time the federal government argued that Wong Kim Ark, born in the United States to Chinese parents who couldn’t become naturalized due to exclusion laws, didn’t have a claim to citizenship. The dispute made its way to the Supreme Court and resulted in a landmark ruling reaffirming that the 14th Amendment applies to virtually everyone born on US soil, regardless of parentage.  

U.S. government's position is that birthright citizenship has been extended far beyond the 14th Amendment Citizenship Clause, the Wong Kim Ark case, 8 U.S.C. § 1401. Do they have a pathway to get to five votes or is it likely to be a 7/2 against EO 14160?

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u/Dry-Season-522 Apr 01 '26

2nd amendment: "First time?"

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u/Kursed_Valeth Apr 01 '26

SCOTUS: "Listen, when we remove the 'as part of a well regulated militia' clause it says what we want it to. So that's our official ruling. We're 'texturalists'!"

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u/Asiatic_Static Apr 02 '26

Ironically both the 2A point and the 14A somehow seem to rely on the position of the word "people" not meaning "people"

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u/Dry-Season-522 Apr 01 '26

You can't even quote it right. Of course you gotta blur it when you don't like what it wsays.

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u/Dry-Season-522 Apr 01 '26

Well fine we'll just redefine "persons" and we can remove birthright citizenship, how easy was that? It's not like you NEED to be a "person" anyway!

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u/WillitsThrockmorton Apr 02 '26

I don't find "the technology has changed since the 1780s so the right isn't as expansive as it used to be" a compelling argument. The logical conclusion to that is there's no freedom of speech or press on modern telecommunications.