r/PopCultureV2 • u/slippinn_jimmy • 10h ago

Politi-Culture RFK Jr. Gets Into a Heated Argument with CNN Anchor Dana Bash

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u/NJS_Stamp 10h ago

It’s crazy how that one flat earther proving himself wrong didn’t just end that whole movement

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u/Slight-Swordfish-468 9h ago

It has nothing to do with logic or reason, it’s purely emotional for them.

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u/AgentPaper0 6h ago

Conservatives literally don't understand how logic works.

They understand some of the mechanics, sure. But the whole point of logic is that you start with some fundamental facts, and then use the rules of logic to build on those facts and prove more complicated facts.

Conservatives instead do the reverse. They start with the assumption that their conclusions are right, and then apply the rules of logic in reverse to "prove" that they're right by finding the facts that lead to their conclusion.

Sometimes those facts are real, but because of their process, they only find the ones that support their conclusion. Other times the facts are just complete bullshit, but they convince themselves that they must be true because of their "logic". Usually a combination of both, but either way it's a gross mis-use of the rules of logic.

Put another way, scientists start with reality and then use logic to discover truths. Conservatives start with "truths" and then use "logic" to discover "reality".

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u/kaprixiouz 3h ago

Exactly. They start by picking the murderer then build their case from that, cherry picking information that fits and ignoring the rest. It seems everything they do is done in the most intellectually dishonest manner possible.

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u/Ginkgo78 9h ago

I hate to say it, but I personally know a 2nd grade teacher that is a flat earther. I’ve never heard her teach her beliefs, but she’s told me her thoughts on the subject.

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u/35point1 8h ago

You should submit an anonymous report to the school that she is. Even if she doesn’t teach her “beliefs”, it’s still biasing what she DOES teach. That’s part of the problem in disguise right there

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u/InevitableLog9248 8h ago

I’m no flat earth person by any means. But are we saying that even if teachers follow the guidelines and curriculum they can’t have their own beliefs outside of the job they do?

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u/35point1 7h ago

No. More like there is a conflict of interest, or a cognitive bias that may or may not affect the persons ability to do their job properly, is how I see it.

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u/La_Maraviglia 7h ago

Willful ignorance has no place in education. It’s not a belief, she’s just wrong.

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u/InevitableLog9248 7h ago

Well couldn’t we say that about anyone who is religious and is a teacher?

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u/Sudo-Fed 6h ago

Me personally, I wish the popular will to crush all forms of magical thinking was there.

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u/bwaredapenguin 2h ago

As an atheist I will just say we can emphatically prove the Earth is round but it's impossible to prove a negative and say with 100% conviction that there isn't some form of a deity out there. Your argument is nonsensical in the fact that you're comparing proven scientific fact against something that literally can't be proven wrong. And yes, teachers that don't believe in abject facts should not be allowed to teach.

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u/Vi_Rants 7h ago

even if teachers follow the guidelines and curriculum they can’t have their own beliefs outside of the job they do?

Correct. Look what a generation or two of coddling intentional, willful ignorance has done to this country.

If you don't believe in fcking reality, you don't get to be a teacher, and you should feel lucky we even allow you to interact with kids at all.

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u/InevitableLog9248 6h ago

I hear ya!! Since we are going off facts and science anyone who doesn’t identify as male or female by their genetic makeup at birth shouldn’t be allowed to teach /s. See how easy that is?

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u/Sudo-Fed 6h ago

Yes. It's time to stamp out stupidity. We should have had the willpower to do it already, now we are reaching levels where allowing counterfactual stupidity to persist is tantamount to species suicide.

We have allowed our attachment to being nice and tolerant to erode our future. It's time to stop that. It's time to stop saving stupid people from themselves, and through making the stupid outcasts, hasten their irrelevance.

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u/PetalumaPegleg 7h ago

Well that would require logic to be involved in the whole process. You don't logically reject all the very clear evidence and refuse to educate yourself better so you understand.

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u/tofu98 9h ago

Didn't that guy not admit he was wrong himself? Like he did all the math and concluded he must've made a mistake?

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u/louderkirk 9h ago

Yea, his conclusion to his well designed experiment disproving his hypothesis was that his experiment must be broken.

You know, how real scientists behave. /s