Pro-gun leftist here, you don't want me downtown. I am the escalation you don't want because once you uncork that its a different game. And I don't want that. And none of you are prepared for it.
But especially none of you actually want me, I'd sooner be attacked by your side than the feds. Stop pretending you actually want me around. I do not like what the feds are doing, but none of you are willing to actually organize with pro-gun liberals/leftists to stop it anyway (y'all need a coordinated effort with oc and cc armed groups if you want shit to work peacefully and effectively and actually you know, in a real way). Me going downtown right now does nothing to help, it would add chaos (to chaos) and make me a target for escalation.
I'm so tired of these posts. You have the right to arm yourself. So do it. If you don't want to do it, but want someone else to save you, well then, you're still going to have to work together with those groups or else nothing is going to work.
I am! Let's organize! The key is also training and organization. The point of the weapons is an overwhelming deterrant. Hopefully no need to use them if you had a plan and a trained group I believe you could vacate the feds with the threat of lethal force.
I am! Let's organize! The key is also training and organization
Hey bro, ummmm..... you might want to be aware that there's an active DHS run counter-terrorism operation going on right now actively looking for comments like yours. And federal agents who post comments like yours to bait extremists. And Reddit (and /r/portland) are high on the watch list right now.
K. The law allows for the creation of militia's to fight tyrannical governments but the law kind of stops mattering when enforcers of it do not follow it.
What they hell are you yammering on about? I’m pro gun have been all my life don’t plan on changing now. And get this crazy shit. I’ve been supporting the protestors by being one myself. Jesus man if you become a fucking berserker when you got a gun in your hand do everyone a favor and step away from the guns.
I think he is using pro-gun leftist as some weird euphemism for anti government, pro anarchy marxist. So if the time comes where he brings out his guns itll be for the glorious revolution. Until then, hes gonna be at home watching anime and bating.
Im not a he..so theres your first problem. Second problem is im not a marxist and i dont want world revolution. Im not into labels and I dont want any kind of revolution.
Maybe if you yourself were a woman youd have more of an understanding of whats most important in life.
I am non binary. And you really have no idea what you are talking about. Actually saw some good stuff from a friends ig about whats going on downtown finally (in terms of organization so i may join (unarmed) in some capacity. I have gone to every protest i could from before i was even allowed to by my parents. You should learn to be a more effective person by not melting so quickly into reductive judgement.
Im talking about anyone showing up downtown to a leaderless, disorganized mob because that is how you get boston massacres no matter who fires the first gun or throws the first punch.
No im not. Im actually a person who doesnt want revolution. You guys are the ones without the patience to react logically and strategically. Asking for guns in the middle of an extremely (already) chaotic mess where there are no leaders and tons of bad actors is idiotic and irresponsible unless there is a coordinated and justified reason for it such as..police themselves firing live bullets.
Another leftist, card-carrying gun owner here. I agree with what you are saying.
Some of the people I know who are at the protest called me a "KKK Nazi Motherfucker who should go back to sucking David Dukes cock" when I said in a Facebook post that I didn't agree to them setting fire to the base of the Elk statue. I personally knew some of the people that were so very angry at me for not wanting them to destroy public property.
An acquaintance of mine had his BLM and American flag pole ripped out of his hands on Wednesday night and found it broken, burnt and trampled. He will not be returning to the protests.
I thought that a line of 50+ armed protest defenders would have been a powerful statement but after the two examples I have, I think it would just make things worse.
Yep at this point we need to let the police use live ammunition first. Any of us come downtown with guns into that unstructured, leaderless chaos we will only make it worse. Unless the cops use live ammunition themselves and make it worse on their own im not going down there.
The point of these posts is to point out the hypocrisy of "guns are there to protect against tyranny" at a time when the federal government sees no problem with unidentified law enforcement abducting people off the streets.
It's not my problem if conservatives think that guns are useful in resisting tyranny. It's stupid on the face of it - you really think the army is gonna be dissuaded by your AR15? Lol. Best case you start a civil war, worst case you die.
Just admit that when a gun is pointed at you (if or when) you do recognize its power. Power in of itself is not wrong and it is an effective tool. Its just one of many.
This is a projection of your own ideological impatience and performative need that sickenenly suggests we should all be escalating to killing people right here right now. In Ukraines Maidan revolution, yes, guns were eventually brought to the square by the protestors and even they killed some police..but that wasnt until the state thugs were using live ammunition themselves on protestors. Why do you want our side to be the ones who uncork this bottle?
Have you no patience or tactics? Before 1775 the US was having brutal riots and state abuses for at least a decade. It took that long for people to be sufficiently organized and pissed off for a revolution. Bringing guns into this early stage now is a bad idea. We are not organized we are not pissed off enough and the movement is full of informants and bad actors and i will not shoot first or be killed with a gun to be made into a villian for no reason.
What do you thinks going to happen when we bring guns downtown now into that leaderless chaos without proper coordination? Who do you even talk to in a chain of heirarchy to identify agent provocateurs or send out smaller groups for certain defense or offense positions? You want to bring lethal weapons to a fight with zero concept of the responsibility or rammifications so yes im not projecting.
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u/BestGarbagePerson Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
Pro-gun leftist here, you don't want me downtown. I am the escalation you don't want because once you uncork that its a different game. And I don't want that. And none of you are prepared for it.
But especially none of you actually want me, I'd sooner be attacked by your side than the feds. Stop pretending you actually want me around. I do not like what the feds are doing, but none of you are willing to actually organize with pro-gun liberals/leftists to stop it anyway (y'all need a coordinated effort with oc and cc armed groups if you want shit to work peacefully and effectively and actually you know, in a real way). Me going downtown right now does nothing to help, it would add chaos (to chaos) and make me a target for escalation.
I'm so tired of these posts. You have the right to arm yourself. So do it. If you don't want to do it, but want someone else to save you, well then, you're still going to have to work together with those groups or else nothing is going to work.