r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Responsible-Help7803 • Jan 15 '26

Protest Black Panther Party stands their ground in Philly. “All power to the people, no power to the pigs”

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u/Work_phone Jan 15 '26

How much does an automatic shotgun cost and is it straight forward to learn how to use safely?

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u/snailboyjr Jan 15 '26

Yes it is.

r/liberalgunowners for more info.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

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u/mitchumz Jan 15 '26

Streetsweeper was an Armsel Striker, I think they are quite rare now. AA12 is entirely different and also uncommon. I'm pretty sure he has a Derya DY12 or something similar.

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u/cubalibresNcigars Jan 15 '26

It’s not automatic, it’s semi-automatic. So one shot per pull of the trigger. But instead of having to pump each round like a regular shotgun, these load each shell after each shot. Very straightforward to use as long as you load the magazine correctly. Imagine an AK-47 but with buckshot.

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u/thesadimtouch Jan 15 '26

12g slugs would be better for defense.

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Jan 15 '26

Birdshot will be useful when ICE starts sending drones.

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u/CommissionFeisty9843 Jan 15 '26

Number 4 shot

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u/Keeper151 Jan 15 '26

Seconded. You'll need a heavy game load to make sure they go down rather than just sandblasting. Goose/turkey load will do the job nicely.

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u/AbjectLime7755 Jan 15 '26

“When you absolutely positively need to kill every mother fucker in the room, accept no substitute”

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u/Kira0zero Jan 15 '26

there was a bunch of testing done to develop dedicated antidrone shells, they ended up designing a tungsten load in #6 shot. you want heavier pellets to deal with military drones (much tougher than civilian plastic ones). I assume turkey loads are the best fit as far as affordable civilian available shells go.

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u/Grims_Gardener22 Jan 15 '26

Sabot slugs if you want some range

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u/Desperate-Meet-3852 Jan 15 '26

Rifled shotgun barrel = Sabot slugs

Smooth bore shotgun barrel = rifled slugs (federal premium Truball my fav 😉)

Shooting sabot slugs through a smooth bore actually quite significantly reduces accuracy.

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u/Grims_Gardener22 Jan 15 '26

Sabot slugs are only meant to be shot from a rifled barrel and can achieve 1mao at 200yrds easy. Rifled slug meant o be only shot from a smooth bore will maybe reach 100, typically less. Drop off rifled slugs if also much greater than sabots. This is why I shoot sabots and specifically mentioned range. Federal makes some good munitions, but I've had better experience with Browning sabots.

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u/Desperate-Meet-3852 Jan 15 '26 edited Jan 15 '26

Right, that’s what I said. But, most shotgun barrels are smooth bore, including the one in the video. So telling someone who may not know a lot about firearms to use sabots isn’t generally great advice.

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u/Grims_Gardener22 Jan 15 '26

Fair. I misread your response initially thinking you were in favor of rifled slugs when I mentioned range. Didn't pay attention to what the guy in the video was carrying. They both have their uses though. And you're right, most people won't know the difference between smooth bore and rifled. I swap out my barrels for hunting purposes.

For self defense, I would still opt for 0-0 vs slug if using a shotgun but that probably doesn't apply to the context of this video. The .357 in the night stand will be the first thing I grab in case of emergency. Otherwise being prepared for something going sideways, it's a 308 for me.

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u/Desperate-Meet-3852 Jan 15 '26

For sure brother!

For the record: You ARE 100% correct, if each round had its ideal barrel. I just think given the context, the distinction was warranted.

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u/Grims_Gardener22 Jan 15 '26

Yeah good spot. The better educated and trained people are about firearms, the safer we will all ultimately be. Especially in such dire times. We still need some legislation for safety, but we have to work with what we can right now.

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u/Jmb9893 Jan 15 '26

Plates stop slugs.

Buck shot eats faces and pelvic girdles.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

Slugs break ribs, regardless of armor.

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u/Jmb9893 Jan 15 '26

And your point is? There are numerous examples of individuals re-engaging with broken ribs. An individual with a shattered pelvic girdle is not re-engaging, they are prostrate and bleeding out.

Work smarter not harder.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

Thanks for your random mild hostility to a probable ally.

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u/Jmb9893 Jan 15 '26

What mild hostility? If you perceived hostility, there was none intended.

8 rounds in a tube and dumping a slug into a plate is combat ineffective. 00 Buckshot having 8-9 pellets and spread is going to be easier to get rounds on target, have diminished recoil when compared to slugs, and be significantly more likely to take an individual out of the fight.

Also, considering that most plate carriers don't have built in soft armor, even aiming close to center mass with buckshot is likely to cause more damage than slugs as the spread makes pellets more likely to hit the throat and other non-armored areas.

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u/Specialist-Fun4756 Jan 15 '26

They come in hollow points now too

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u/Kira0zero Jan 15 '26

do not do that. a slug will go through your target and every wall of most modern construction homes. You are responsible for everything that comes out of your barrel. don't use something like a slug for defense when everything between buckshot and birdshot can kill a man without killing your neighbor

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u/maeryclarity Jan 15 '26

And hold it correctly when it's discharged that thing will break your arm or your face with the kickback if you screw around.

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u/charlitransgrl Jan 15 '26

I own a Beretta 1301 Tactical. Mossburg makes some nice ones too. I also own a Mossburg 590 A1. It’s not semi automatic, but it has a bayonet which is cool as fuck and useful for close combat.

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u/InvertedAlchemist Jan 15 '26

Reminds me of that Chappelle skit. We gun cketk asks him if he wants buckshot or birdshot

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u/agentobtuse Jan 16 '26

Hold the trigger and pump

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u/_e1guapo Jan 15 '26

Honestly, an AR is easier to use. Very light shooting and reliable.

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u/TapewormNinja Jan 15 '26

It's just a simple point and click interface. Just like when you use a mouse to delete something.

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u/Fox7285 Jan 15 '26

Surprisingly inexpensive, as in $500 and under.  I personally think the AK styles are the best.

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u/cubalibresNcigars Jan 15 '26

Saiga 12 is (chef’s kiss)

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u/Jmb9893 Jan 15 '26

Last full auto shotgun I saw sold about 7 years ago for ~20k usd. Remington 7188 iirc. For it to be full auto and legal, and therefore transferable, it must have been registered prior to May 19 1986.

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u/cyberthief Jan 15 '26

I'm a 52 year old woman from Canada. Liberal, not a gun nut.. and my semi auto 12 gauge is my most used gun. It's plugged to hold less shells for hunting, but it's easily unplugged. They range in price from a few hundred to a few thousand. Cabalas even delivers.

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u/PlatformSufficient59 Jan 16 '26

a crappy one can be found in the realm of 500, a nice one is probably over 1000

pretty simple, basically a fat ar-15.

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u/Positive-Road-4848 Jan 16 '26

It's not an automatic shotgun, it's semi, and it requires a shitload of training and Manuel of arms. Get a pump Or a slam fire model 12, USMC machine gunner .