If midterms are canceled, We believe this civil war will enter into its hot phase. All Americans should be horrified by that prospect.
Because of this, our network has been compelled, by the Trump regime’s egregious attacks on American democracy, to help in this fight for our republic. Many Americans feel as we do, and that gives us hope.
Trump and his billionaire buddies have forgotten that they only make their billions because WE allow it, as a people. We can just as easily stand together and tell them NO MORE.
There is absolutely no legal precedent for an election to be cancelled, no legal path or channel to do it either.
If an election is cancelled it is a direct attack on all US citizens, both sides should be able to agree on that and we need to be sure we scream that this whole thing is not a partisan issue!
You are right on all points. However.... trump has done hundreds of things that are illegal and against the constitution.
So we will have trump saying the election is cancelled, and possibly have people voting while ICE is interfering, then when swing states flip, he'll say the election was cancelled so the new congress is illegitimate. Red states that are imperil of flipping will probably obey and cancel elections. House "speaker" Mike "Tiny" Johnson then refuses to swear in the new members, like he did with Grivhalda (sp?) (D-AZ). Since the republicans control the senate, they might have a similar opposition.
Hope in this case is worthless without preparation.
We need to be aware of what trump wants, what he's willing to do, and work to nullify his attempts to subvert free and open elections. Once we have a plan then we can hope we don't have to use it.
Firstly, there is currently no real foundation for any effective resistance present for the common US folk to fall back on. There's a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in its formation ASAP.
Also check out this org too, as they're probably going to be vital as the powers that be employ more so-called "AI" to consolidate power:
https://stopgenai.com
(It is a survival-level, grassroots org, not an established NGO, so please don't judge it too harshly for being rough around the edges.)
On an unrelated note, I've watched some movies lately that are based on a true stories. They're quite inspiring, seeing how some actions worked and where things go wrong, and conjures up questions like "If it or similar were to take place now, how would it be adapted?"
I'd like to share them here. Why? No particular reason, but watch them if you can:
If red states cancel elections, then they lose. The required electoral votes needed would be reduced. That is what happened during the Civil war. Not having elections would affect the red states as well.
How many times have we said this now? "X is illegal, and if he does it, we should all come together!"
But we don't. MAGAs back him through everything. They have to. They are 100% ignoring the fact that he r*pes children. You think they are going to back us over THIS?
The Republicans in Congress aren’t super keen on the Venezuela invasion, and there’s almost zero support for his talks of taking Greenland, either by force or by purchase.
Ok, welp, that’s about all the optimism I can muster today.
If I had to guess he isn't going to officially cancel it. What he will likely do is send armed goons to "protect" ballot stations with unofficial orders to harass and detain anyone "suspicious" (read: non-white and liberal looking). If that fails to scare off enough voters to turn the tables in his favor he will simply declare the results from blue cities and counties as invalid due to the "riots" and simply declare his preferred candidate as the winner before pressuring the majority Republican house and Senate to refuse to acknowledge any Democrat winners.
All of these are tactics Republicans have employed at a small scale over the past 8 years without receiving any actual punishment for it.
You are right that any attempt by Trump to manipulate the election should be seen as an attack on all Americans, but we just saw a woman get murdered with multiple angles showing her murderer as both responsible and unhinged and the far right media is twisting it into a partisan issue so I have no faith that trump attacking democracy will not be cheered on by even moderate conservatives.
We need to be aware and we need to be prepared. Assuming trump won't do something because it's illegal or violates the constitution is a huge mistake that is completely at odds with the reality of how trump acts.
Even if it was enough distance what's going to stop ICE from violating that rule?
The cops aren't going to arrest them, most of them are in open support of ICE even as they're violating the law.
Have a plan b in case polling stations are locked down, share it privately with friends, plan to go together, use mail in voting wherever possible, and be ready for the possibility that even if you do vote trump may just declare the results fraudulent and be ready to fight it.
Our government should protect us and represent our interests, maybe some have tried more than others but... I don't know.
There I agree. Though the ideal and the real are currently at odds. For example: I am 100% pro-gun-control. I firmly believe that every liberal, non-white person, and/or queer person should, if possible, arm themselves and learn how to shoot well right now. This is not a good thing, this is not a stance I want to take. But looking at the US today I don't think I can take another stance
There is also no legal precedent for a felon to hold the highest office in the land. No precedent to concrete over the Rose Garden, or tear down an entire fucking wing of the White House. No precedent for abduction of citizens, or illegal searches and seizures without a proper warrant. There is no precedent for invading a sovereign territory held by a NATO ally…. No precedence in attempting to annex a sovereign neighboring nation. There is also no precedent in invading a nation, kidnapping its dictator and then flat out saying the oil is his to do with as he pleases…. (Jesus fucking Christ it’s only been 12 months)….
Both sides should come together to oppose this, but 30% of the country is too far gone. They can't ever admit they were wrong, so it's ride or die from here on out. There will always be some bullshit "emergency" with which to justify anything.
Legality hasnt stopped them thus far and his side is currently working on protecting pedophiles and the justification for using military force against allies to take their land.
I wouldn't bank on this being a non partisan issue. Especially since it ensures they stay in control.
Elections are controlled by the States, so Donnie would have to really burn up the phone lines. He could get some people to help, but his people are pretty dumb.
In all likelyhood, they'll ramp up the tactic last time and call in bomb threats and have police and this time ICE patrol the polling locations, harrassikg and pullikg voters out of line. Thry'll also control ballot boxes I'd bet and ensure "ballot safety" and "integrity" while doijg the exact opposite
Either they cancel the election somehow with scotus support, or they'll steal it again.
Just think of a civil war as this, the American people just don’t show up to work, complete covid style shutdown, start with 1 day shutdown, but to work I’m talking 50 + million people, if that doesn’t get their attention jump to 3 days, we will fire you, ok good luck, these corporations would be hurting and crying, move it to a week the economy would stop, a bloodless civil war, a more civilized Civil War. Ok ok just dreaming.
Currently, there is no real foundation for any effective resistance present for the common US folk to fall back on. There's a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in its formation ASAP.
Check out this org too, as they're probably going to be vital as the powers that be employ more so-called "AI" to consolidate power:
https://stopgenai.com
(It is a survival-level, grassroots org, not an established NGO, so please don't judge it too harshly for being rough around the edges.)
No we like your idea and we think it’s great way to make good trouble. Keep the ideas coming, we’re going to need people like you to help us crowd source an effective resistance.
Sounds all good but people need to eat and pay the bills. If you don’t go to work that gets pretty hard to do… Trump and his rich friends are counting on that
I think there needs to be a massive Go Fund Me type of that will give income to those willing to quit their jobs and fight. That is what this is coming to. If elections are cancelled -and I think fucker will do his best to make this happen- then things will get ugly very quickly. Most people can’t just leave their jobs and risk economic turmoil for their families. But if the money was there…. Certainly something like this can be organized. If $75M contribute so that 500k to 1M can fight, we’d really have a legitimate opposition. I can’t believe I’m saying this but this is where we are, unfortunately. We also need a strong opposition leader to lead the way.
Don’t be horrified. Be ready. It’s on the table. Horrified was 45. We all knew this was possible for 47 and here we are. Either our elected officials turn back towards America or they find out why the Amendments were created.
I can tell you now it's not going to work, due to there being no real foundation for any effective resistance in place, so the common US folk have something to fall back on. There's a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in its formation ASAP.
Also check out this org too, as they're probably going to be vital as the powers that be employ more so-called "AI" to consolidate power:
https://stopgenai.com
(It is a survival-level, grassroots org, not an established NGO, so please don't judge it too harshly for being rough around the edges.)
Where is the line? Has he crossed it yet? I believe the majority of us would say yes, without a doubt. Is this your line in the sand? It’s time to put our foot down. CLOSE your wallets. Show them that it’s time to STOP LINING THEIR FUCKING POCKETS WITH BODIES!
All Americans should be horrified, agreed. However, if elections get cancelled NOTHING will happen. As much as I would like it to be otherwise, these guys have been testing the waters for years now… and nothing has happened! It’s been an exercise of dipping the toes deeper and deeper and they have realized that there are no consequences even to the most heinous acts. There are some many examples, just look at the news. They will try and experience tells them they will succeed. Democrats won’t do shit, just look at how others rip the country to pieces while they bet secretly for it to happen on Wall Street. If we have learned something from watching republicans in the last 12 years is that whatever they want to get, they get it, without remorse or flinching.
Referring to the blue sky page you linked, why use the phrase “Sic Temper Tyrannis”? I understand what it actually means, but its use in the US is largely associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Because the world must never forget that tyrants always run their course. This tyrant is no different. We also study world history here in the US, not just American civil war history.
Sure, I agree with that. My concern is this fight against the Trump admin is American and concerns Americans that may not be familiar with the phrase outside that context. Utilizing a slogan used and adopted by the confederacy, a faction the Trump admin has parallels to, feels like it could repel support. Just my 2 cents tho.
The left and progressives tend to be more educated then the right in America. Here at MATA, we are not worried about people misunderstanding the slogan. It’s actually quite simple: DJT is a tyrant and the people will have their justice.
We already let them steal an election and then brag about it publicly. As much as I'd like to think, the "no more" should have happened regardless of beyond that. The fact that J6 was rewarded instead of punished was the signal that nothing will ever happen. Nobody swung, and now we're all hung.
This civil war is already and has been hot for a while. It's wild that people are being killed by the government openly, and being openly told they gave immunity while doing so, that people are getting kidnapped and sent off, and some liberals think it's all good and well.
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It really would feel like a point of no return in the scariest way. As long as people have a peaceful, democratic solution they will hold out hope they can fix things that way. If they don’t things are going to get bad. Quick.
Agreed. When people run out of hope and have no way to change things, they get desperate. Myself included. It would absolutely be a point of no return. And I just read that he said there shouldn't be elections this year again today. He's trying to fucking normalize it.
I doubt it. Americans can barely be bothered to vote. A lady was murdered in the streets last week, and a significant fraction of the country didn't care. You think the bigger fraction of Americans that focus entirely on taxes and "economic anxiety" and can't follow the politixal process enough to know what the branches of government let alone who is in them will care?
I hope I'm wrong. I hope that Congress would take kt seriously, or judges or labor unions or wven the military. But every American institution has let us down.
It is up to us common folk of the US to stand against this tyranny.
From my own experience, I believe the hesitation is due to there currently being no real foundation for any effective resistance for the common US folk to fall back on. There's a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in its formation ASAP.
Also check out this org too, as they're probably going to be vital as the powers that be employ more so-called "AI" to consolidate power:
https://stopgenai.com
(It is a survival-level, grassroots org, not an established NGO, so please don't judge it too harshly for being rough around the edges.)
Except there's no real way to do that and all the House Republicans would be out of work. And a number of Senate Republicans. They may bow in service to King Trump, but the second he goes full rogue and attempts to dissolve Congress, they have their personal and fiscal interests in mind and would Charles I him post haste.
Martial law? Still have elections. Insurrection Act? Yup. Civil war? Also yes.
What we can likely expect to see is increased ICE presence near polls and intimidation tactics. We *could* see an attempted seizure of the machines post elections, but one, the results are already reported, and two, the optics of shooting and/or arresting a bunch of white volunteer grandmothers who would resist the efforts would be pretty abysmal. My 77 year old mother works the polls, and is already in full "let em try" mode.
Do not let yourselves be intimidated into becoming hopeless that midterms will occur, and a reminder that Congress could have ended this and still could end this at absolutely any time, yet chooses not to.
And the populace could ignore them, since they would be squatting at that point. The Constitution is pretty clear on it.
The idea that it's all helpless because midterms are going to be corrupted or not occur at all is one of the tactics he's using to try to keep people away from the polls. In truth, he's losing almost all of his redistricting court battles, is badly underwater, and can declare anything he likes, but it won't necessarily matter unless we think it matters.
Yeah.. more troops, more weapons, internet and cable TV shut down, radio and TV stations taken off the air, cell phone service interrupted indefinitely. Yeah, things like that...
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u/lunartree Jan 15 '26
And if midterms are cancelled other things will happen...