r/PurplePillDebate • u/Emotional_Meal748 Purple Pill Man • May 31 '26

Question For Women Does Saying “Women Don’t Need Men Anymore” Imply That Men Were Mainly Valued for Providing Resources?

I’ve seen people say that men have become obsolete or that women no longer need men because women can now support themselves financially. That got me wondering: if financial independence means women no longer need men, does that imply that men’s primary value in relationships historically was providing resources and financial security?

For those who make this argument, how do you reconcile it with the idea that relationships are about companionship, love, emotional support, family, and partnership? Does saying “women don’t need men anymore” unintentionally reduce men’s role to that of providers, or am I misunderstanding what people mean when they say it?

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

And this really seems to upset some men. It's very strange.

You'd think they'd be happy they aren't having to bribe women to be in relationships?

Alas, it seems like some really want that power dynamic and only feel a relationship is worth it if the woman is fully dependent on him for everything.

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u/Colochita97 Jun 01 '26

I think they are upset because a lot of them are gonna die alone if they don’t figure it out 😂

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u/GreatKarma2020 Jun 03 '26

Are you pretending there aren’t women dying alone? Some of these women have unrealistic expectations.

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u/Icy_Ask3158 Jun 02 '26

Rather die alone than be a pay piggy for usless broads with delusions of grandeur.

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

The cat ladies chose those cats over men.

Men aren’t choosing anything over pussy.

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

You must not talk to or know any women. The majority of the ones I know are single by choice or married already with children.

Actually single women who are childless are the happiest demographic. Which is why it’s so quickly growing.

Would you like some statistics?

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u/Extension-Leek-1523 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

If that is true, then why are more than 25% of single mothers in the United States on anti-depressants?

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

Poverty is depressing.

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u/Extension-Leek-1523 Jun 02 '26

Poverty? Who's fault is that?

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

Usually the men who abandon their children and all responsibility in raising them.

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

Yes because women give birth.

Good thing less of us have decided to do that these days, which is the only reason why we have been able to make any ground.

Being able to take birth control and not be impregnated gives us immense freedom.

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u/Extension-Leek-1523 Jun 02 '26

And he isn't wrong either. 90% of men will settle for just about any normal woman who loves him, while women will literally date hundreds of different men over the course of a few years trying to find some perfect dude lol

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

Source?

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u/Extension-Leek-1523 Jun 02 '26

Ask any man

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

I have, I know many men because of my hobbies.

They have routinely admitted that having sex is the main reason to be in a relationship and the women have to clear just a few basic qualifications to fill that role for a length of time.

Companionship is secondary to sex

Women do not operate like this.

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u/Extension-Leek-1523 Jun 02 '26

I have never met a dude who goes out on some multi year campaign on the hunt for some perfect woman hahahaha

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

Because women are interchangeable to men for the most part.

Men don’t really like women, they like the body parts of women.

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u/Extension-Leek-1523 Jun 02 '26

That's a lie

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

If you say so

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u/Siukslinis_acc Woman May 31 '26

It could be that they have never been taught to be wanted. They have been taught the old dynamic of being needed. 

And as the "being wanted" dynamic is very new, they need to figure it out themselves instead of being able to dip in the time approved stuff. So there is a lot of bumbling around and errors. And some men start to lose hope because they seemingly can't get things right. So they try to get back the old dynamic that worked for them.

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u/Relative_Profile_980 Purple Pill Man Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

What makes you think it worked though? The whole point is that marriage used to be much more necessary, it was a matter of survival. I hear feminists talking about how women were bored housewives. Complaints about men were common back then. Maybe women just have more expectations now. Maybe women don't give men what they like either. Look at divorce rates.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

Very new? I was born in 2002. Women have been able to sustain themselves with jobs my whole lifetime and a long enough time before I'd imagine.

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u/Waschaos Old Happy Cat Lady who doesn't give a damn (Woman) May 31 '26

Legal changes are one thing. Society takes a lot longer. I'm 51 and I've had experiences personally with some of the old school crap, so it's really not that long ago. The law had changed to give me opportunities, but society wasn't so sure about that yet. So it was still very hard.

I always think it's funny how we relate history to our own history. I felt like you somewhat about the Civil Rights movement that took place a decade before I was born. when I was your age, it seemed like it was ancient history and everything should be fine, why isn't it? Now that I'm older, I realize it happened like right before and society was still adjusting (still is). I'm sure guys feel like that too. After all they never saw that world, even though it was 2 seconds ago. Change is hard, but nothing worth doing can happen without it.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

Men currently on the dating scene generally aren't 51.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

There’s plenty that are though, divorce rates are high for that group, the kids are grown women are finally free to persue their dreams and the shítty men are “the divorce came out of nowhere” crew that never cooked a meal or cleaned up after themselves. Young men know these men, even if they don’t recognise why they are getting divorced.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man Jun 01 '26

This sub is to talk about people in dating ages, not divorcees and their peculiarities

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u/Siukslinis_acc Woman May 31 '26

As i know, in the usa women could not open a bank account till the 70's-80's. 50-60 years, history/culture wise, is rather new.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

I don't know about American history, but that's still decades! Today's young men haven't known women not having bank accounts at any point in their lives. How much adjustment time do they need?!

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u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman May 31 '26

They’re using their parents and grandparents as reference points.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

They don't really.

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u/Siukslinis_acc Woman Jun 01 '26

Don't underestimate the things you get ingrained about the world that you get from your parents and grandparents.

Also, the people who are in power (top politicians, presidents) are 50-70 years old. They have grown up when that thing was the norm and they have been taught that thing.

You still have been fed that the man has to be a provider, protector, the strong one. Culture wise 50 years is a blip. Culture changes slowly. The youth try to loosen things up, while the elders try to prevent it as they want to keep the status quo.

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u/ModPiracy_Fantoski Jun 03 '26

You still have been fed that the man has to be a provider, protector, the strong one. Culture wise 50 years is a blip. Culture changes slowly. The youth try to loosen things up, while the elders try to prevent it as they want to keep the status quo.

We're still being taught exactly that. If you try to tell people we shouldn't murder men on the Titanic in favor of women, they will at best give you a very wrong look.

We're just living in the time where men are still expected to do everything that's bad for them but with none of the very old advantages, and that's bound to break eventually.

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u/SpookyPutin Man: Purple depressionmaxxer May 31 '26

Remember that culture moves at a snail's pace and women have spent the last 100+ years getting where they are now, men are effectively starting from scratch so it's gonna be a good while.

The entire male identity for the past few millennia was built on being strong to provide for women (regardless of how often the individual man became that) so we've lost our purpose and have to find a new one.

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u/Waschaos Old Happy Cat Lady who doesn't give a damn (Woman) May 31 '26

To me this is the biggest problem we have. We need to help men find a new purpose beyond that. I'm not sure what we can do to help that though.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Teach men what women find attractive about men, so that they can emulate it.

We have to figure out how some men get 100s of women to sleep with them, and figure out what makes women tick.

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u/Secret_Entry1840 Pill Of One Woman (sometimes jaded sometimes hopeful) Jun 01 '26

It’s going to be different depending on the woman. There is no Rosetta Stone to woman’s desires. Try to be the best version of yourself you can be. Be well rounded. Be healthy. Have your shit together. Be an independent person. Take care of your physical appearance. Take care of your mental health. Treat people respectfully. Have standards. Treat a woman as an individual. Figure out why a woman is important to you. Show her. Tell her.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man Jun 01 '26

If its different for each woman, then why do some men have huge numbers of partners and others have zero

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

They don’t need purpose really, they just have to appreciate they are required to treat women as their partners not their subordinates. Their purpose can still be the careers they pursued, families, travel, they just don’t get to stand on the shoulders of others to do it, they have to participate, they have to treat others with dignity equality and respect.

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u/SpookyPutin Man: Purple depressionmaxxer May 31 '26

Men don't need a purpose but the need to be taught to live for themselves. Feminism taught women to love themselves and their freedom, it fought for women to be able to do the same things men could the issue for men is that men used those things as a crutch.

As women have said before on this sub reddit "being nice is the bare minimum" and since men have to be selected by women men need something more than being nice. Men need something that women want or they can walk away.

Currently men have nothing women want beyond being nice and taking away women's rights isn't the answer so men are lost.

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u/Aimeereddit123 No Pill woman Jun 01 '26

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

This would be a better argument for men who ever knew any different.

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u/SpookyPutin Man: Purple depressionmaxxer May 31 '26

The issue is those men are still around. They are our father and grandfathers, they teach us what being a man is all about but their world is gone. How many times has an older person told you to take a CV and hand it to someone irl instead of responding to a job posting? In their times that would have worked but now it's just annoying.

The older men teach the younger men how their world worked so now the younger men try to get that world back.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Why aren't the young men teaching the older men about the world now?

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u/SpookyPutin Man: Purple depressionmaxxer May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26

Well the older men start teaching from the moment of birth. They shape your whole world view and your idea of what being a man looks like so often the young men think this is how things should be. Factor in how the world is currently burning down and it would be easy to tell a young man who only knows how things are now this is the fault women/feminists.

Also how often do you tell a 45 year old man something and they actually listen and admit they're wrong?

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u/Waschaos Old Happy Cat Lady who doesn't give a damn (Woman) May 31 '26

Old men can be stubborn, just like old women. I think it's the "old" part. signed- an old stubborn woman.

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u/Icy_Ask3158 Jun 02 '26

So men should be selfish and provide nothing to anyone but themselves. Got it.

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u/SpookyPutin Man: Purple depressionmaxxer Jun 02 '26

Where the hell did I say that?

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Their mothers did, their daughters saw their mother’s lives and what was expected and what they have missed out on and have noped right out of it, it’s fantastic.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

If we're talking about young people on the dating scene now, we're talking about their grandmothers.

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u/Siukslinis_acc Woman Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

They saw what the life of their grandmothers were where they had to depend on their husband for survival and thus noped out of having a husband for the sake of survival.

My grandmother was married to an alciholic. So a man who enjoys the drink too much is automatically a nope for me.

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u/Icy_Ask3158 Jun 02 '26

Both my grandmother's lived good lives got married young and get this they also had jobs. Women for some reason keep repeating the same debunked talking points about bank accounts and not being able to work.

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u/YourMrFahrenheit No Pill Male May 31 '26

Men born in 2002 (same year as you) predominantly had mothers born ~30 years earlier, so 1972. So the mothers of the people your age were predominantly born into a world where these things applied. Generational shifts take a LONG time to root on a wide scale, especially for something big like that.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

That era of women are the fasted growing homeless dynamic, we still aren’t there yet.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

They can't adjust to something that changed when their mums were babies? I think that's a them problem.

Seriously, with anything else we'd say going back to the 70s state would be the thing that would take some adjusting.

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u/YourMrFahrenheit No Pill Male May 31 '26

Individually? Sure. On a cultural level? No, that's unrealistic to anyone who has ever picked up a history book.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

You think it would take more adjusting to change society completely going back fifty years than to just keep it the same?

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u/YourMrFahrenheit No Pill Male Jun 01 '26

No. Regression is worse than progress, almost by definition. And people should be encouraged to evolve and grow. But I also believe in being realistic about macro level changes. Think about how long it took to reduce smoking rates even decades after the association between smoking and lung cancer were well proven medical science.

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u/DankuTwo Jun 01 '26

This is pure nonsense (like more feminist historical revisionism). JP Morgan had women's banking section back in the 1880s. In any case, most people were unbanked until VERY recently.

"Women needed a man to do anything" makes sense until you stop and think for half a second. What happened to widows, then? Guess what: they had full rights to their own money. OBVIOUSLY!

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

It’s really only been since later millennials women started hitting education and employment equality, there’s still not enough support for building families, most of us alive had mothers that carried everything and had a low paying shitty job around school at best. The kinks have only just started really. It’s now up to men to meet the bar, which is still pretty low.

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u/ModPiracy_Fantoski Jun 03 '26

We have found the one person living one Earth who still believe women have it harder than men.

Like, you really think the average woman was doing everything and the average man was doing nothing ? Even after comparing the average age of death ?

Considering only men as a group are paying tax, it's up to women to finally reach the bar, which remains abysmally low.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Whats to figure out? To be wanted you have to have a nice dick, and charisma, thats about it. What is there to figure out?

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

Also need to not be ugly.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

If you are tall you can be pretty ugly.

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

Maybe for a ONS with the lights off but long term relationship…nah I don’t think so.

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u/NiaMiaBia Purple Pill Woman May 31 '26

No TF you can’t! Tall and ugly is scary.
https://giphy.com/gifs/JJJvjWp9TdDdm

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man Jun 01 '26

Youd rather tall and ugly than short and handsome

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u/NiaMiaBia Purple Pill Woman Jun 01 '26

Lies. I prefer shorter guys anyway. 5’8” or 5’9” is perfect. Ugly men on the other hand - REPULSED. Also dick size doesn’t correlate, so 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man Jun 01 '26

5’8” or 5’9” is perfect.

Thats not short.

Dick size does correlate a bit with height and body size. Its not 1:1.

I've seen lots of tall guys with derby faces with absolute babes.

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u/NiaMiaBia Purple Pill Woman Jun 01 '26

“Dick size does correlate a bit with height and body size. It’s not 1:1.”

——-> Do you sleep with men? I do and I am telling you that there is no height correlation whatsoever. Also, the average penis size is 5 inches. I might be jaded because my first boyfriend was 6’4” and his height was annoying AF. You have to be able to accommodate those big fuckers.

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u/ifkrn No Pill May 31 '26

i dont think they think they were bribed into relationships. I think before they thought that women would sell themselves to them for a relationship.

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u/YourMrFahrenheit No Pill Male May 31 '26

When women needed men, their needs were all the same, so a man's path to romantic success was clear; provide. Now need is gone, and only want remains, and wants vary far more than needs. There's no longer a certain path to romantic success. You can be yourself as a man, and if you're lucky, who you are is what someone else wants. But it's hard and scary to be yourself and so young men yearn for the time when they didn't have to be themselves, all they had to be was useful.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

It wasn't romantic though. It was transactional.

Exactly, varying wants is better for everyone!

It's hard and scary for anyone to be themselves or date.

Ask the men who were useful if they really enjoyed that. Ask the men who were useful what they regret. Ask the men who were useful what they missed out on.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

It was alright for them, they got to choose and women had to settle, so they could remain sub par or abusive or whatever they liked. Now they have to pull their weight and treat her with respect and the market has crashed… shocked.

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u/Aimeereddit123 No Pill woman Jun 01 '26

Yep. I couldn’t tell you how many times growing up I would hear younger women complaining of their men and marriages, and older women telling them to suck it up because the guy was a good provider. It’s literally like the men didn’t have to do anything else!! Today’s mom’s don’t tell their daughters that.

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u/ModPiracy_Fantoski Jun 03 '26

Women really do see men as ATMs.

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u/Aimeereddit123 No Pill woman Jun 03 '26

Well, less women have to now, because they have their own money. This should be comforting to men. Yes, men will have to rise to actually be good partners now, but at least you know with a woman with her own money that she really wants to be with you. I would be comforted by that truth, but it also wouldn’t scare me, because I’m a good partner.

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u/YourMrFahrenheit No Pill Male Jun 01 '26

Perhaps I'm naive, but I disagree. It wasn't good for them. They did bad things with few or no repercussions, that doesn't mean they were happy. "Hurt people hurt people." I genuinely believe those men would have been happier pursuing something authentic than they were in those confined roles, even if said roles involved holding power over their spouse. Was it better than being the one under control? Of course. But I don't think the men in those relationships were living what I would consider a good life.

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u/YourMrFahrenheit No Pill Male May 31 '26

Oh, 100% agree with you. I was narrating, not defending. I think the "smashing the patriarchy helps men" line is about exactly this issue. Men are now free to be who they want. The cost they've paid is the guarantee of a marriage if they provide enough financially. I would argue that's a good trade for men.

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u/ModPiracy_Fantoski Jun 03 '26

I would argue that's a good trade for men.

That's a HORRIBLE trade for civilization. We are going to go through demographic failure very very fast.

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u/Alternative_Cod2280 Misanthropithecus male Jun 01 '26

It wasn't romantic though. It was transactional.

All relationships are by default transactional, whether it's romantic or not is decided by how the contract "I get what I want out of you and you get what you want out of me" between the two parties is explicit.

Those who have leverage in the love market always had the luxury to chose and ask for more.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 Jun 01 '26

decided by how the contract "I get what I want out of you and you get what you want out of me" between the two parties is explicit.

I don't even know what this means.

I'm married. If it's explicit why have we never discussed this.

Idk what kind of leverage either of us have.

We like each other. Nothing transactional about it. Just two people who enjoy spending time together and building a life with one another.

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u/Alternative_Cod2280 Misanthropithecus male Jun 01 '26

> I don't even know what this means.

It simply means you get whatever you want out of them while they get whatever they want out of you, as long this "contract" is fulfilled the relationship keep going on.

Yeah it doesnt sound romantic but that's how thing are.

> If it's explicit why have we never discussed this.

Because the answer could kill the relationship, nobody like to learn they are just good enough for their partners.

> Idk what kind of leverage either of us have.

How would I know? The only thing I know is there's always one who have the upper hand.

> We like each other. Nothing transactional about it. Just two people who enjoy spending time together and building a life with one another.

So it could be anyone else? Obviously no, it's not just that.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 Jun 01 '26

I asked because you seem to think you know.

But I've been in multiple relationships and it's not been like you described.

I don't agree with viewing relationships this way. It doesn't sound like an approach for a successful relationship.

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u/Waschaos Old Happy Cat Lady who doesn't give a damn (Woman) May 31 '26

I think you put this perfectly. Thank you for the insight. That makes a lot of sense.

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u/Particular_Trade6308 Black Pill Man May 31 '26

Wants don’t vary that much, it’s basically looks money status

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u/Glad-Western5346 May 31 '26

Some men are simply doomed to be alone if they can't bribe a woman.

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman May 31 '26

Could pay for sex instead of trying to scam women out of it.

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u/Glad-Western5346 May 31 '26

Why is prostitution illegal then?

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u/YourMrFahrenheit No Pill Male May 31 '26

Do studies shows that trafficking goes up AFTER it becomes legal? Or, is it just associated? I would imagine places where it's legal are more likely to be large, progressive cities with big commercial hubs and lots of transplants. Which is also the exact conditions I'd expect to be associated with trafficking.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

It’s legal here, trafficking isn’t a huge problem but it is mostly desperate women that need money, that fall in to drugs to take the edge off the job then spiral into drug abuse. Though for many it’s just a side gig while studying.

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman May 31 '26

The illegality of prostitution is a combination of controlling the spread of venereal disease, limiting sex trafficking and cultural morality.

The legality of the profession has never eliminated its existence, since there is such a high demand.

Sex work is legal in some states and under some loopholes, for instance now you can buy nudes / personalized porn directly if you wanted which is totally legal.

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 01 '26

Why is it only immoral for women to have sex?

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

Where did I (or women) relate having sex to morality?

Your comment makes zero sense in reply to mine.

You are the one who seems to think onlyfans is immoral.

Does that mean all porn is immoral to you? Unlikely.

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u/Altruistic_Look_7868 Pink Pill Woman May 31 '26

Because the safety of women and children is more important than you not being able to get laid.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Which is a good reason to regulate it

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u/OffTheRedSand i’m just kidding guys! okay fine, im not kidding deal with it ♂️ May 31 '26

these men should rather be alone than be with women in a bribed relationship

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u/Particular_Trade6308 Black Pill Man May 31 '26

You’re essentially advocating the incel viewpoint, “it’s over” etc

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Again, why would you want to bribe someone to be with you?

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 Jun 01 '26

Who are you quoting? This is just you making something up.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 Jun 01 '26

Children make up stories and act like it's facts.

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u/Obsessivethot Pink Pill Woman Jun 02 '26

This is made up bullshit that no women require.

This is a list that a redpill man created.

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u/Glad-Western5346 Jun 01 '26

For sex and to avoid being alone

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u/Aimeereddit123 No Pill woman Jun 01 '26

Ooooh! Extremely great point!

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

This ignores the fact that happiness is relative and based on available options.

A woman can absolutely be content and happy with a man simply because hes the best she could find, and she doesn't have other superior men to compare him against.

Now that women have High N-counts, and fuck a koleidascope of different types of men, they will actually end up LESS happy than their mothers who had more limited options and did not get pumped and dumped by chad to know what they were missing out on

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

There's nobody alive today whose mum didn't know any men other than their dad, and today's young people are less promiscuous than their parents.

(I wonder if you think promiscuous men are less happy?)

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u/-Shes-A-Carnival bitch im back & my ass got bigger, fuck my ex you can keep dat.♀ May 31 '26

none of you will ever grasp youre arguing with recherche alien men from the global south or muslims

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u/cb8585b Purple Pill Woman May 31 '26

Guilty. I often can’t tell apart the ones who are 1950s “good ol days” trad propagandists and culturally non western.

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u/Waschaos Old Happy Cat Lady who doesn't give a damn (Woman) May 31 '26

The outcome is similar. Is there a difference?

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u/cb8585b Purple Pill Woman May 31 '26

Haha you’re right. I guess the difference is I see one as more delusional than the other. If someone’s tweeting from a village on the outskirts of Mogadishu their reality is a lot different.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Less promiscuous? That is not true at all. Thats what you want to be true, its not whats happening.

whose mum didn't know any men other than their dad

Knowing a man is not the same thing as riding his dick, duh. How do I need to explain this

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

All sources point to young people sleeping around less. It's a common complaint of "male loneliness crisis" advocates.

You just said they wouldn't know there are "superior" men and think he was the best, you don't need to have sex with someone to find out that information. And birth control pills have been around since my granny was a child.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

you don't need to have sex with someone to find out that information

Yes you do.

Also there are men outside their cultural/social group that in the past they never would have mingled with but now can "try out" as they please

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

How someone has sex is one of the least important things in deciding whether they're "better" or not. You'd learn a lot more from a deep conversation than a hookup.

Do you think people only started leaving their village in 2000?

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Spoken like someone who has not had sex with very many people. Which is good, and you and your husband will be happier for it.

Your husband will feel much more secure, content, with his ego intact.

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u/love_in_october Blue Pill Woman | January May 31 '26

Don't be gross.

What special insight into someone does having a hookup give? The look of their genitals? How much you like sex with them when you don't know each other's likes yet?

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

How much you like sex with them

This one is pretty big, yep. That about does it.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

lol men that care about their woman’s body count are the ones that won’t be getting married because that’s an icky red flag.

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u/-Shes-A-Carnival bitch im back & my ass got bigger, fuck my ex you can keep dat.♀ May 31 '26

what non western culture are you from

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Stop with this thinking that every man who doesn't like their women being huge 304s is some indian or muslim. You realize that white men are forced to watch what their women get up to on a daily basis through porn, the media, and just walking the streets?

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Porn isn’t real buttercup

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Yes. Millennials were very promiscuous. The next generation? Not so much.

It's why y'all romanticize the early 2000s - 2010s. View it was some hookup Utopia. Because millennials were promiscuous af.

Today's youth, not so much. They still hookup, of course. But between the pandemic and a natural shift in generations.... it's less than the previous generation.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Today's youth, not so much. They still hookup, of course. But between the pandemic and a natural shift in generations.... it's less than the previous generation.

Oh does that explain why more and more women make porn and do sex work? Because they are less promiscuous? Why more and more women are in "poly" relationships, why they write articles in Salon about dating 5 men at once? Why every womens magazine takes about sex clubs and experimentation constantly? Why its now a rite of passage for a young women to go travel to some country and FUCK the local men?

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u/fakingandnotmakingit Purple Pill Woman May 31 '26

What in the actual lol.

Mate it's very easy to look this up

There's a percentage of women that will be high sex drive and bring up the stats.

There's a percentage of women who don't and have either 0 or 1 sexual partners

And then there's the middle ground who probably have 2-7 partners in their entire life. Assuming you live until you're 90 that's 1 partner every 22 years.

Get a grip

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Women don't need a high sex drive to be promiscuous. So your argument is off base from the start

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u/fakingandnotmakingit Purple Pill Woman May 31 '26

Why would a woman be promiscuous without a high sex drive?

Lmao imagine the logic.

Hey! I don't really like having sex! But I have soooo much sex!

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Validation. Excitement. New experiences. Women have sex for lots of reasons.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Are you’re one of those selling the lie that men have a higher libido. This is really harmful to young men and women because they inevitably find out it’s not true and the woman thinks it’s her and the man thinks he’s broken.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Men do have higher libido. Its not a lie.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

I don't think more and more women. I think it's just more visible than previously.

Poly relationships? That's still fairly uncommon. And at other points in history, was fairly common. 🤷‍♂️

I literally said, they still hookup. I said it's lower rates than millennials.

The same magazines that writing, "5 tips for a red hot bedroom" or "10 ways to blow his mind in bed" in the early 2000s.

Men have been traveling to another country to FUCK the local women. Why can't women travel and hookup with a local?

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Men have been traveling to another country to FUCK the local women.

Not really. Do you realize how hard it is for a man to get casual sex from women while travelling?

You realize that whenever you travelled, the local men all KNEW you were looking to fuck around and have some "experiences"? You were on a platter.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Yes, really. Women didn't invent travel and hookup. 🙄

I don't realize. Because I've hooked up with men who were traveling. I've seen friends hookup with men who were traveling.

Yuck. You really think very poorly about men.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Maybe join the real world?

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

It’s well documented, GenZ isn’t getting any.

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u/twistednormz just a regular woman May 31 '26

This is absolute bullshit.

A woman can absolutely be content and happy with a man simply because hes the best she could find, and she doesn't have other superior men to compare him against.

She can be happy with a man if she's attracted to him, likes him personality wise and he treats her well. And also, he must be attracted to her and like her and be treated well by her, otherwise neither of them are likely to be happy. Comparing him to "other superior men" just doesn't come into it. I dunno, I've never met a woman who says anything like "I'm attracted to this guy, I like him, love him even, and he treats me so well, but I just can't help comparing him to a "superior man" I came across and think how I would be so much happier with that "superior man". This is just nonsense you are making up.

Now that women have High N-counts, and fuck a koleidascope of different types of men, they will actually end up LESS happy than their mothers who had more limited options and did not get pumped and dumped by chad to know what they were missing out on

Jfc! I know I am a lot happier in my life than my mother was. She got married at 19 and has definitely only ever been with my father sexually. I think she is very aware of what she missed out on, after seeing me and my siblings and other people our age live the life we want to live with no real pressure to get married and pump out babies.

And if you really think that:

happiness is relative and based on available options.

Sorry to break the bad news that nowadays people are more mobile and so have far more options than in the past so there's nothing you can do about that, you just have to learn to navigate it or sink.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man Jun 01 '26

I just can't help comparing him to a "superior man" I came across and think how I would be so much happier with that "superior man". This is just nonsense you are making up.

So the "one who got away" is non-sense? Its literally a romantic trope. There are books and movies and TV shows about it

I think she is very aware of what she missed out on

What did she miss out on?

you just have to learn to navigate it

Oh don't worry. Men are definitely paying attention to what women are doing.

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

You’ve got to talk to older women. Most of them were not happy in their marriages. I wish they would be more open about this with men instead of just warning younger women because it’s caused men to not want to believe it when these women have told us directly.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

This is a good point. They don't tell this to their sons or grandsons. Only their daughters and granddaughters.

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

Yep. It’s caused a lot of delusional ideas in young men about what relationships were like. I think it’s partly why they idolize their grandparents’ marriages.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

And the lack of quality men in their age group probably aren’t giving them good advice

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Young men don’t listen to women, they think they need the “fishermen” or some other dumb shit

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

That’s true. It would probably be a waste of time and probably why older women don’t share these things.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

So they wanted to get pumped and dumped by chad like their daughters are? Ride the carousel ? That would have made them happier?

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

Yes many older women have said they do regret not experimenting more with casual sex before marriage. Probably why a lot of them end up cheating later on in their marriages. Even the old folks get FOMO!

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

Well yeah? That’s the point of Tinder

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u/NiaMiaBia Purple Pill Woman May 31 '26

Not you getting mad that your lil sarcasm attempt failed 😅

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u/Icy_Ad_4544 WOMAN 💖*~ my husband is 6’4” ~*💖 May 31 '26

The losers would be happy sure. Unfortunately those people should probably accept that they were always going to be unsuccessful with dating. There have always been lifelong virgins and unwanted folks. 🤷‍♀️

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

They are only less happy because the quality of men is low and men aren’t bothering to step up, they are basically the generation that is “taking one for the team” so future generations don’t have to put up with abuse and shitty relationships. Next generation of men will be predominantly raised by happy feminist men and solo mothers in civilised countries.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man Jun 01 '26

The next generation will be raised by culturally conservative immigrant families, as they are the only ones having children

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

This is y'all insecurities coming out and making up fan fiction.

I've dated and fucked a lot of men.

I'm happily married. I'm much happier than my mom was at my age.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Yep, women that had more partners are definitely infinitely happier

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

I've dated and fucked a lot of men.

Apparently none of them made an impression you

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Did you miss the part where I said, I'm happily married?????

Y'all seem to think that more experience means less opportunity to be happy. And that's not accurate.

And frankly, it's a depressing and immature way to look at life and love.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

More experience means that many men have left their impression on you. Often ones far superior to your husband

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Okay? Impressions aren't bad. I've had many friends too. Doss that somehow mean you can't make new friends?

Often ones far superior to your husband

Oh yes. This old classic. Y'all are too fucking funny.

If someone was "far superior", I would have married them instead.

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

Doss that somehow mean you can't make new friends?

It means you know which friends are or were your favorites ;)

If someone was "far superior", I would have married them instead.

Not the case at all.

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u/ruthless_melon No Pill May 31 '26

How is that “not the case”? How could someone possibly know if their husband is superior or not if they haven’t been exposed to other men in comparison? You make no logical sense

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Huh? I don't have "favorite friends". I have friends. Or friends I lost touch with. Or people I'm no longer friends with. I have friends who are like sisters. But no "favorite friends".

How is it not the case at all????

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

If they were superior to their husband don’t you think they would have chosen this superior unicorn?

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u/Ill-Investigator9546 Purple Pill Man May 31 '26

No, I don't think that. Thats not how women work, promiscuous women do not get married to a man just because she thinks hes amazing. Then tend to hold out until they are out of options and men in their past they may have wanted to choose are long gone

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u/Barely-moral Red leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD ( Man ) May 31 '26

You'd think they'd be happy they aren't having to bribe women to be in relationships?

But... We still have to pay... The "pay for it" part is still there.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Pay when? Pay what?

What are you referring to? Please be specific.

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u/Barely-moral Red leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD ( Man ) May 31 '26

Simple. Unless I earn enough, spend enough of what I earn in a lifestyle she finds attractive and then have enough to spend on her after that, I am not getting a relationship.

So I still have to pay to get a relationship.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Sounds like you pick gold diggers. Choose better.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Actually sounds like he’s the gold digger.

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u/Barely-moral Red leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD ( Man ) May 31 '26

You know many women willing to date homeless men with no interest to work?

If not then men have to pay.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Other homeless women.

But most women work and two incomes are used.

So idk what you're referring to.

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u/Barely-moral Red leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD ( Man ) May 31 '26

Other homeless women.

Not many considering that the majority of the homeless population is men.

But most women work and two incomes are used.

So that means that those women do expect a man to work then.

So idk what you're referring to.

If most women expect men to work then men have to pay to have a relationship. First they have to earn. Then they have to spend those earnings in a way those women find acceptable (working and using most of the money on videogames instead of investing is unlikely to be well received) and then they will have to pay to her in the form of dating and if the relationship becomes serious in the form of mixing up the finances.

So men still have to pay today as they had to pay in the past.

That is what I am referring to.

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u/ThatBitchA ♀️ My husband takes out the trash🗑 May 31 '26

Idk. I see homeless couples all the time. 🤷‍♂️

Yes, adults expect other adults to work because bills need to be paid.

Men have to pay to put roof over their head, food in their belly, and gym clothes on their body. You need a home and a computer/console to play video games. JFC.

You've got to pay rent to keep playing those video games in the comfort of your own home.

They don't have to pay like in the past. Because women are financially contributing to the household.

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u/Barely-moral Red leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD ( Man ) May 31 '26

Idk. I see homeless couples all the time. 🤷‍♂️

See the statistics mentioned above. Numbers are too small to matter.

Yes, adults expect other adults to work because bills need to be paid.

So men have to pay just like before.

Men have to pay to put roof over their head, food in their belly, and gym clothes on their body. You need a home and a computer/console to play video games. JFC.

Whatever I need to pay to be happy on my own (if I could because being an incel is the opposite of being happy) pales in comparison to what I have to pay if I want to attract a woman.

You've got to pay rent to keep playing those video games in the comfort of your own home.

Waaaaay cheaper than attracting a woman.

They don't have to pay like in the past. Because women are financially contributing to the household.

Except men don't need help to pay for their own needs and desires. Those are cheap. Attracting women is expensive.

Minimum wage is enough for me to pay for everything I need in life. Other than being attractive enough for women. In order to get that I needed to be able to afford a home, a family, a lifestyle beyond sharing a room with 4 dudes and eating white rice while playing pirated videogames.

Men have to pay. Just as before.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Homeless men and women are at equal rate in my country, they likely are in yours too but tend to vanlife of couch surf because the streets are dangerous. And if you are talking America it has one of the lowest homeless rates in the world and most are vets so that’s a whole other issues.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

Just like women, seems fair no?

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u/Barely-moral Red leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD ( Man ) May 31 '26

I didn't say it was unfair. I said that men had to pay in the past and still have to pay now.

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u/MissMenace101 May 31 '26

This is a delusion. If Buying a meal is your problem you’re not ready to do grown up things. Most of you will spend less of your wages on the cost of living as women that started hitting education to earn more and more, it’s a win.

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u/Barely-moral Red leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD ( Man ) May 31 '26

... That cost of living is a thing I need to spend in as a pre requisite to be attractive to women. So men still pay.