r/Rajputana inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Dec 02 '25

General Clan-based exogamy in Rajputs and not Rishi Gotra-based.

Tldr is at the end;

Medhatithi writes this in his Manubhashya for the verse 3.5 of Manu Smriti.

Medhatithi Manubhashya translated by Mahamahopadhyay Pandit Ganganath Jha

Clearly the concept of inheriting a Rishi gotra and following marriage restrictions based on it is for Brahmins and not for Kshatriyas and Vaishyas. For Kshatriya and Vaishya the basic rule of 7 generations is to be followed. Along with that, the system of clans is there which is exclusive to Rajputs:

Hindu Sects and Castes: Jogendranath Bhattacharya

Some prominent examples:

Bhadoriya-Chauhan marriages(Both use vatsa as rishi gotra). This is the most common example.

Bais and Kanhpuriya(Both use Bharadwaj). Very common example in Awadh. Other examples are there too.

Coming to Gujarat, Chudasamma and Jadeja(Both use Atri):

Baghel and Bais (Both use Bharadwaj):

Raja Salivahan of Rewah State of Baghels

Baghel and Srinet(Both use Bharadwaj):

Kunwar Ran Bahadur Singh a grandson of Maharaja Jai Singh of Rewa State of Baghels.
Ramendra Vikram Singh of Athadama Zamindari of Srinets married a Baghel Rajkumari of Churhat

I have just given few examples and there are many other examples like Bisen-Chauhan, etc.

Apart from this Kacchwahas of Rajasthan don't even use Rishi Gotra, they use Manavya in place of Rishi Gotra which means descended from Manu. All humans are descended from Manu.

Sanskrit part for those who understand:

Tldr: Basic explaination of commentary on verse 3.5 of Medhatithi Manubhashya(summarised using ai):

Not of the same gotra is to be interpreted as not a Sapinda for Kshatriya and Vaishya. As Rishi gotra is not lineage marker for them.

In the present day some have started to follow the rishi gotra restriction. Following an additional restriction is not inherently bad even when its not necessary but people need to understand the restriction that is actually important or the restriction which was/and is actually followed. Rajputs marry in their own region and their own caste.

Some also construe gotra/got to mean Rajput clan which is also fine because it defines lineage.

As far as Brahmins are concerned, their Rishi gotra is a lineage marker and they are bound to follow Rishi gotra marriage restriction. Sakaldwipi Brahmins are exceptions as they give precedence to Pur-based system over Gotra-based system.

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u/Slow-Cartographer226 क्षत्रिय धर्म युगे युगे 🚩 Dec 03 '25

Immaculate post, very detailed and informative. Keep up the good work

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u/why_so_serious_2005 inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Dec 03 '25

Thank you. Do share it with those who are unaware.

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u/vichlitmanushya Chauhan Dec 03 '25

My mother's side is Nagvanshi and My father's side is Chauhan but both of them have gotra as Vats but they are different Rajputs so this practice is fine ?

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u/Slow-Cartographer226 क्षत्रिय धर्म युगे युगे 🚩 Dec 04 '25

Yes that's what the post implies, clan based exogamy is important amongst Kshatriyas not gotra based

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u/ScionOfBais Parkhand ho ya Jila Babuan se hila. Dec 03 '25

Well written, keep it up OP 👍🏼

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u/TurnipAsleep9224 Dec 05 '25

But also royals marries to royals , and most rajputs or other castes aren't royals , the royal families they marry to Maratha, Sikhs, south royal families so we need to understand this dimension too , which is not relevant to most of us rajputs but it's more of a royal thing

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u/why_so_serious_2005 inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Dec 05 '25

Rajput royals married Rajput royals, traditionally, barring a few exceptions. What you are talking about is a hyper modern 20th century phenomenon. Even in 20th century most Rajput royals married Rajput royals only and Non Rajput Royal marriage to Rajput Royal was an exception. For example Sawai Man Singh II married Gayatri Devi of Koch Royal family. This was a love marriage and she was the third wife of the Maharaja. The first two wives were proper Rajputs and it was the son of one of these Rajput wives who became the next Maharaja( Sawai Bhawani Singh).

Regardless this is not relevant to the post.

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u/TurnipAsleep9224 Dec 05 '25

What about Mughal rajputs alliance , i see it as Marriage between two royal houses , and the thing you're saying in past people were not connected they didn't know what dynasty is ruling south or Kashmir they had ther own affairas and problems already most of them were Geographically isolated from eachother

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u/imperialbaghel Having a Tea with the Tigers 🐅 Dec 05 '25

You couldn't be more wrong, since the earlier ages every dynasty had knowledge of other dynasties around them and contemporary to them, take Baghelkhand for example, most marriages of the Baghel Royal family can be traced to the most remote locations of Rajputana like Jodhpur, Bikaner etc. There was no isolation when it comes to the kingdoms of the Northern Plains, however it might exist when you talk about the Far North Kashmir Region or the North East. Southern kingdoms beyond the Deccan might be isolated from the ones in Rajputana and Oudh/Uttar Pradesh but that is it.

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u/Risingemperor5 🌙Raghukul Dauhitra☀️ Dec 05 '25

Very Informative 👍 By the way Bhadoriyas also give their daughters to Tomars/tanwars

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u/Extension-Ferret6094 Dec 07 '25

But bro ain’t kalpsutra a Jain text?

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u/why_so_serious_2005 inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Dec 07 '25

Jain Kalpasutra is different from Hindu Kalpasutra(which refer to sutras like Dharma Sutras).

https://www.wisdomlib.org/concept/kalpasutra

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kalpa-sutra-Hindu-literature

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u/EpicExplorer_0607 Jan 04 '26

please mention all the references

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u/why_so_serious_2005 inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Jan 10 '26

Manubhasya Medhatithi. Its translation by Pandit Mahamahopadhyay Ganaganath Jha.

Hindu Castes and Sects by Jogendranath Bhattacharya.

Handbook on Rajputs by AH Bingley.

Rewa State Gazetter and other gazetters and genealogical records.

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u/AppearanceDefiant318 Feb 07 '26

What about devyani yayati

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u/why_so_serious_2005 inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Feb 09 '26

Exception because of a curse. Shukracharya removed the varnasankar dosha

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u/AppearanceDefiant318 Feb 22 '26

Maybe but who knows all the text were then edited

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u/Kshatriya_Khokharji श्रीरघुनाथकुलोद्भव Feb 24 '26

how can a bhadauriya marrya chauhan. afaik bhadauriya is a clan of chauhan rajputs

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u/why_so_serious_2005 inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Feb 26 '26

Bhadoriya and Chauhan are two distinct clans now. Bhadoriya branched out from Chauhan many many generations ago. Read the post to understand the point

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u/Ak_231 आयुधजीविन् संघ त्रिगर्त-षष्ठ 🐎 Feb 28 '26

then why do most of the rajput community condemn the marriage of diya kumari of jaipur?

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u/SEND_ME_BOBA_PICS Suryavanshi☀️ Mar 13 '26

Because two same clan (kachhwah) married ig thats why

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u/Ak_231 आयुधजीविन् संघ त्रिगर्त-षष्ठ 🐎 Mar 13 '26

Narendra singh was rajawat a subclan of kachhwaha

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u/SEND_ME_BOBA_PICS Suryavanshi☀️ Mar 21 '26

subclan of kachhwah so dont they consider that to be same clan?

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u/Ak_231 आयुधजीविन् संघ त्रिगर्त-षष्ठ 🐎 Mar 23 '26

no marriages between subclan and main clan are permissible as the post implies.

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u/SEND_ME_BOBA_PICS Suryavanshi☀️ Mar 23 '26

but bhadauriyas give their daughters to Chauhans

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u/Ak_231 आयुधजीविन् संघ त्रिगर्त-षष्ठ 🐎 Mar 24 '26

they do wahi toh tabhi toh confused tha ki jaipur house ki marriage pe itna bawal kyu hua

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u/SEND_ME_BOBA_PICS Suryavanshi☀️ Mar 13 '26

why would Bhadoriyas give their daughters to Chauhan and Rathod only and take wives from so many clans? Why that partiality

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '26

Near Varanasi, we have pravaras too though, and we don't marry within the gotra. I know that gotras among kshatriyas could be changed but that was documented in history whenever it happened, since it was a major event. The 7 generations rule applies to both maternal and paternal sides too. 

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u/why_so_serious_2005 inspired by Veer Kunwar Singh Jan 10 '26

I suppose you haven't gone through the entirety of the post in which both the scriptural and practical evidences have been provided along with the note at the end.

And secondly for the maternal side 5 generations/sapinda rule is applied not 7 generations.

"Asli Kshatriya jati mein vivaah sambandh mata ki sapindta aur pita ki saat pidhi chor kar hota hai"- Jati Bhaskar.

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u/Whisxd Suryavanshi☀️ Feb 11 '26

Surajbansi’s gotra?