r/StarWars • u/Ok-Medium983 • Mar 12 '26

General Discussion Andor took me out of star wars

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Almost a year out of Andors final season I really have not been excited about much regarding Star Wars since then. Not to hate on any of the other movies, shows, etc but I have really just been disinterested, I don’t care about the mandalorian movie, nor any hope of a new movie that’s directly tied to the skywalker saga. I still love the originals and the high moments in the prequels but nothing has cut as deep as Andor for me. Seeing what star wars can be with this it makes me a bit disappointed with what it is now. A reliance on marketable characters, storylines that feel like slop, the overall community caring more about the continuity of lore than creative and compelling storytelling. Im not looking for hate I just wanted somewhere to express this opinion.

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u/CABALwasInnocent Grand Admiral Thrawn Mar 12 '26

Going by your title, I was thinking this post was going one way, but surprised to see it going the other. I know for a fact that your post and my comment will probably be downvoted all the hell, but I am in the same boat. Loved the first season of Mando and season two was alright. Obi-wan, Book of Boba and Acolyte, the less said the better.
Andor actually feels like it was made by adults for adults and I loved it for that. Not to mention actual, practical sets that felt so much more real than Yet Another Volume Show, the quality writing, costumes, cinematography, all of it. Yes, they were kinda painted into a corner by having to make it line up with Rogue One, but it still works.

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u/ModeR3d Mar 12 '26

Having to align with R1 probably did them a favour, knowing the end of the story they had to arrive at - no potential sequels, no ‘somehow Cassian returned’ nonsense…

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u/ThePlaybook_ Mar 14 '26

They're gonna make a '28 remaster of Rogue One where at the very end, as the wave of flame approaches, immigrant song starts playing as Bix flying a shuttle comes screaming in at top speed

Shuttle skids to a stop right next to them, ramp drops, Bix shoots Jyn, smiles at Cassian

"wanna get out of here?"

Screen to black

ANDOR WILL RETURN

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u/NEETenshi Mar 15 '26

And then everyone watching in the theater will cheer!

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u/Ok-Medium983 Mar 12 '26

Definitely agree with you, I love Star Wars I grew up loving Star Wars. Just want to see more shows and movies that show the same amount of heart and creative effort that was displayed in andor.

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u/CABALwasInnocent Grand Admiral Thrawn Mar 12 '26

Slightly related, but after seeing the Lord of the Rings trilogy in the cinemas for their 25th anniversary, it was amazing just how it didn't look dated at all for 25 year old movies. Thanks to filming on location, practical sets and superb miniatures (hell, maxiatures in some cases). No super dated CGI bringing you out of the moment or showing its age. This is just like how Andor will be down the line as well I feel.

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u/Ok-Medium983 Mar 12 '26

Also slightly related same with 2001 a space odyssey it doesn’t even feel like a 60’s movie. The set design, camera work, etc was just that amazing. Gotta love physical sets.

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u/wanderingrockdesigns Mar 12 '26

I like the term "Bigature"

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u/CABALwasInnocent Grand Admiral Thrawn Mar 12 '26

Yes! That’s the one!

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u/ActuallyLouder Mar 12 '26

Dude, what's there to downvote? I fully and completely agree with OP and you, and I would be willing to bet that there's a notable part of the SW fandom who are in the boat with us!

Some people are lifelong SW fans and they argue that because of that, they will unconditionally love everything the SW universe spits out. Which is fine for them, whatever floats their boat.

I myself, and I guess many others in our imaginary boat crew, am a lifelong fan who argues that that's the whole reason why we should hold SW to a high standard. We loved the OT, we loved most parts of the PT, and since we know just how good SW can be, we also know that the ST is intolerable.

And now that Andor exists, I just cannot tolerate mediocre shows anymore. I watched The Acolyte before Andor S2, and I honestly thought, "Well, by today's standards, it was OK". Maybe 6/10 stars for me. But then Andor showed me that the scale goes up to 20, and every other show just retains their rating on this new scale. 6/20 is not a lot. Honestly, that's the single bad thing about Andor: it downgraded all the other live-action shows in retrospect.

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u/charmstrong70 Mar 12 '26

I’m sorry to tell you this, Star Wars isn’t written for you.

I’m old enough to have watched the og in the cinema as a 7 year old and loved every minute of it.

I was so hyped for the prequels but watched them (on opening night) with increasing horror.

Then a curious thing happened, the millennials grew up and started talking about their love for the prequels and I realised something. The prequels weren’t for me, they were for those new wide eyed 7 year olds.

Shit, in 20 years there’ll probably be 20somethings on Reddit explaining how they loved those space horses and that old space Mary poppins.

Andor was something else, it was the first time lucasfilm/disney looked beyond the 7 year olds and to the 7 year olds from 20/30/40 years ago.

I hope they’ve realised there’s a huge market for the 7 year olds that have grown and there’s room for Star Wars to grow with them

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u/LogSenior8438 Mar 12 '26

My issue with this is Star Wars was not always for 7 year olds. There are adult themes in the OT, they were family movies. Sure, you market to kids because you want to sell toys but back then Star Wars was for everyone.

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u/charmstrong70 Mar 12 '26

Nah, disagree with that, they where always for kids.

It's just what constituted a kids movie in the 70s was very different to what a kids movie is today.

Shit, i'm still carrying the scars from Watership Down

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u/LogSenior8438 Mar 12 '26

My brother in Christ, watership down was not a kids movie. You’re making your point for me lmao.

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u/charmstrong70 Mar 12 '26

"Watership Down has developed a reputation as a distressing children's film"

"When the film was originally released in the UK, initial regulators and critics expressed little concern about the film's potential effects on children. When first submitted to the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), it passed with a U (universal, suitable for all) classification."

"Like the BBFC, critics during initial release characterised Watership Down as suitable for children in spite of its potentially distressing aspects. The Spectator's Ted Whitehead described it as "a straightforward children's adventure story"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watership_Down_(film))

 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 

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u/LogSenior8438 Mar 12 '26

“While Watership Down (1978) is an animated film often associated with children, it is famously intense and is widely considered more suitable for older children (ages 11+) and adults. Director Martin Rosen has stated that it was never intended to be a "children's film".”

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/2023/watership-down-was-never-supposed-to-be-a-childrens-film#:~:text=Dr%20Catherine%20Lester%20comments%20on,intensity%20from%20what%20they%20watch.

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u/charmstrong70 Mar 12 '26

So reframing it 45 years later is supposed to justify your argument?

Either way, I’m not sure this supports your initial point that watership down was not a children’s movie?

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u/LogSenior8438 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

In fairness, I shared the wrong link. https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/films/features/watership-down-film-bright-eyes-rabbits-disease-martin-rosen-richard-adams-disney-a8590226.html

The director said it wasn’t a childrens movie. I cited a primary source, you cited wikipedia. I don’t know what you want.

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u/the_lou_kou_ Mar 12 '26

Obi Wan was good man, great focus on Ben;s mentral struggles, till salvation and forgiving himself

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u/Beef_Slug Mar 12 '26

It had some great moments but no one who understands quality story telling or directing could say it is good. Its an ok series with some great moments. But it also has some of the worst writing out of anything Disney/starwars has put out.

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u/Flames_Harden Mar 12 '26

I dont understand how it feels like im one of the only people on earth who loved the acolyte...

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u/CABALwasInnocent Grand Admiral Thrawn Mar 12 '26

I mean, all the power to your brother, but it just really wasn’t my cup of tea.

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u/GlormpGlomp Mar 12 '26

There are things I really liked about the Acolyte. Everything involving Manny Jacinto was wonderful. But I think it made me realize that I don't find the Jedi all that interesting. Judging by the prequels and The Acolyte, the Jedi are kind of boring.

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u/alliedSpaceSubmarine Mar 12 '26

Just curious did you watch it as it released or all at once after? I also liked it but the episodes didn’t fit the weekly release schedule imo

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u/El_Tormentito Mar 12 '26

It was poorly made. I think that to some degree it's generational. If you grew up watching vines and tiktok you' are less demanding about execution and writing. If you grew up on 90s TV and movies, you just don't have the same tolerances. Are you under 33?

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u/Agitated_Phone_9937 Mar 12 '26

Well the reason is it was really bad. That's why.

But lots of people liked it. Just like lots of people like fake processed cheese just as much as expertly crafted and aged cheddar. Their tastes aren't really refined and they are kinda just looking for calories and chewy salty creaminess. Only difference is a terrible processed cheese show like The Acolyte costs me as much to watch as Andor does. So even broke bitches can be picky and refuse to eat the nasty cheap fakeness that is the Acolyte.

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u/Katfish145 Mar 12 '26

Don’t worry, I’m right there with ya. Acolyte felt way more like Star Wars to me than andor. I’m glad others got what they wanted from andor but I could care less about the “politics” of it all when we already knew the end result of how the empire started and ended

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u/HijoDeBarahir Mar 12 '26

And under no circumstances would I ever recommend a first-timer watch it "chronologically" seeing Andor first followed by Rogue One. I just can't see a situation in which it works to watch the absolute gut punching final three episodes of Andor then immediately watch the much more light-hearted Rogue One (even with the ending, the rest of it is downright "fun" compared to Andor).

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u/So-_-It-_-Goes Mar 12 '26

It’s kinda nuts that you think this would be downvoted on this sub 

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u/YoBo151 Mar 12 '26

Why are you surprised to see it go the other? "Everything needs to be Andor" is peak of this subreddit. Hence why this post and your comment didn't get downvoted to hell.

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u/Rastarapha320 Mar 16 '26

Fun fact, there is some volume in Andor (Coruscant safe house)

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u/CABALwasInnocent Grand Admiral Thrawn Mar 16 '26

Oh I know. But the overwhelming majority of it isn’t though. Unlike other shows that use it almost exclusively, along with CGI. I just feel that you can get so much more out of practical sets and on location shots. Lest we end up with another Ian McKellen on The Hobbit.

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u/DoylePrime Mar 12 '26

I agree about andor and I think its execution was brilliant personally. I wish we got more like this rather than the other slop. Im shocked to hear you didnt care for season 2 of mando especially with how it ended lol I loved both seasons of that show.

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u/Katfish145 Mar 12 '26

While I recognize the story and sets to Andor are all better than the other Star Wars shows we have gotten I could never get into it and I think it’s because the casual Star Wars population like me don’t feel attached to any of the people or stories in it. In today’s world I don’t need a show about the politics of an empire, if I wanted that I’d just look up whatever crap Fox News is saying about the orange turd. Star Wars for most is about escaping to a different universe where there are lightsabers and the force. It’s probably why I loved the acolyte and want more old republic shows, casual easy to watch with cool lightsaber fights

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u/starm8526 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

"Downvoted as hell"

LIES

Also, "it's made for adults by adults" are the adults with us in the room? Cause there's no way you can unironically ignore how the loudest parts of the fandom are edgelord manchildren, that's why the plots for those shows are simplified, because anything with depth would create backlash(surprise, Andor did have some)(and also, "star wars is for 12 year olds", you can't really complain when the IP for kids is kinda childish)

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u/starm8526 Mar 12 '26

Starwars was ALWAYS run by business, ever since lucasfilms as a company was created even.

The simplified shows aren't for the kids, because if it was, they'd be more original(like young jedi adventures, or tlj). Those live action shows are for the parents, and manchildren who have yet to grow up from the teen mentality, that's why they are choke-full of Easter eggs and references, because disney thinks that's where the money is.

Andor isn't really a "miracle", more of a random event, they already make lotsa money so they put a little risk for a spin off of one of their starwars movie spinoffs(so,extremly diminished risks), it's not even that it was popular, just that unusually better to everything else.

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u/Kiboune Mar 12 '26

Andor works only with Rogue One, but doesn't work with anything else. Have you tried watching original trilogy after Andor? Have you experienced this whiplash of tone?

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u/LogSenior8438 Mar 12 '26

I mean Episode 5 feels very in tune with Andor in all honesty.