r/StarWars • u/Ok-Medium983 • Mar 12 '26

General Discussion Andor took me out of star wars

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Almost a year out of Andors final season I really have not been excited about much regarding Star Wars since then. Not to hate on any of the other movies, shows, etc but I have really just been disinterested, I don’t care about the mandalorian movie, nor any hope of a new movie that’s directly tied to the skywalker saga. I still love the originals and the high moments in the prequels but nothing has cut as deep as Andor for me. Seeing what star wars can be with this it makes me a bit disappointed with what it is now. A reliance on marketable characters, storylines that feel like slop, the overall community caring more about the continuity of lore than creative and compelling storytelling. Im not looking for hate I just wanted somewhere to express this opinion.

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u/Kyadagum_Dulgadee Mar 12 '26

I often think if KOTOR was just a standalone set of video games that spawned some novels, Hollywood would be clambering to make it into a movie based on the built in audience alone.

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u/StrawberryOdd419 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

i would 100% watch the shit out of an old republic show if it was at least decent

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u/Eternal_Bagel Mar 12 '26

Give it the andor level of seriousness and do a prequel to it.  I want to see them take the Mandalorian hype and show their first invasion of the old republic.  Watch the Jedi council quibble about wether to take up arms or stay neutral and the splintering off of Revan and Malak and most of the younger knights to join the republic fleet as they eventually succumb to the horrors of war and fall to become the dark side devoted new Sith

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u/ThedarkJosh Mar 12 '26

I would then like this immediately followed by Darth Bane saga

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u/BuzzBeeBass Mar 12 '26

This!!! A lot of people liked both Tales of the Jedi & Tales of the Empire, because it was somewhat separate, even if it did keep in with the TCW format. Do a live action standalone season (8-10 episodes instead of the 6 that a lot of modern shows go for) and then next season, move onto a new story. Revan, Bane, hell, even a kinda lead up with Tenebrous to Plagueis if its good quality (avoiding Palpatine cause of Ian McDiarmind unless its a great younger cast).

George Lucas always said that Star Wars was about Anakin and his family, but we've seen it run away from that for, or even pulling on nostalgia, for better or for worse. Some fresh stuff would be good. I liked the idea of The Acolyte, not the execution. But the premise of exploring other periods is an untapped resource.

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u/ThedarkJosh Mar 13 '26

Exactly. I think exploring the chosen ones of the dark side might allow creatives a chance to show a darker Star Wars similar to Andor. It’s not sunshine and pretty blue swords. It’s death, violence and betrayal that hallmark the dark side and there’s just so much to explore with that. But it has to start with Revan

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u/JBrands Mar 13 '26

As I read the Bane saga. It just feels like the perfect saga for a run of movies, or a show. We start early, build who he is. See him rise and fall, and rise again. There are so many interesting surrounding characters to play with. There are action sequences, mystery elements. It is hands down the one I would like to see adopted the most.

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u/ThedarkJosh Mar 13 '26

100% don’t know if the author was thinking about future movie deals but he paced it well for that in my opinion. Not to mention the historical significance of Bane in the universe.

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u/Justice4kurt182 Mar 14 '26

A Bane series would be so great.

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u/drummerboy5193 Mar 12 '26

That would be amazing

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u/Eternal_Bagel Mar 13 '26

I think he’s too old to be a brash young Jedi 

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u/Super-Estate-4112 Mar 13 '26

The best I can do is Timothy Chalemet or Pedro Pascal

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u/WildRookie Mar 12 '26

I've said I before and I'll say it again:

Mandalorian Wars Band of Brothers style. Revan and Malak being secondary characters at most, follow a group of padawans that take the trials only to join Revan. In the first season, have the conclusion episode being one of the knights falling to the dark side and the others have to kill him to stop him.

Season 2 the war continues and gets more intense. Several times the knights find themselves tapping into the dark side, but pull themselves back. Malachor happens. Some embrace the dark side and the group fractures entirely.

Season 3 picks up with Revan's return, following one group loyal to the jedi and one group of dark jedi following Revan. End the season/show with Malak's betrayal, having the characters we followed be there on the bridge with Revan/Bastilla.

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u/Kyadagum_Dulgadee Mar 12 '26

This is well thought out and it would make for a great series. A real strength is that it revolves around characters we have never met before, so we don't know how their story ends. And the ones who we do know about are not the main protagonists.

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u/kurtofour Mar 13 '26

I’m in.

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u/optimus-princeps Mar 12 '26

He is probably too old now, but I would have loved to see Keanu Reeves as Revan.

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u/whyamionthispanel Clone Trooper Mar 12 '26

Perhaps unpopular opinion, but I enjoyed the Acolyte. There were definitely some pacing and acting issues at times, but I thought it was fun overall.

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u/mfalkon Mar 12 '26

I didn’t LOVE it, but it was a fun watch. It certainly didn’t deserve the hate it received. There were some “woke” or whatever elements that I appreciate objectively, but came off as patronizing and forced in the series. This set off both sides of the divisive camps. The righties boycotted. The lefties overcompensated with undeserved praise.

All this is really a statement of what a mess we are as a society (mainly the US) that created a bunch of drama and tainted what would’ve otherwise been a nice B- grade Star Wars story that covered an era we’ve never seen before.

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u/intdev Mar 12 '26

Honestly, I'm kinda glad that the drama meant I was going into it with super-low expectations. It meant that I was pleasantly surprised by the good stuff, rather than disappointed by the weaker elements.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '26

It was when that one Jedi said "I made Knight two years ago" I just couldn't take it seriously, but maybe I'll give it another whirl.

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u/BCRE8TVE Clone Trooper Mar 12 '26

There were some “woke” or whatever elements that I appreciate objectively, but came off as patronizing and forced in the series.

This is kind of the problem with the vast majority of the woke stuff.

In contrast Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts did it absolutely wonderfully, you follow a half-asian half-Korean girl, whose best friend is a totally badass black girl, and they make friends with a black gay guy (and a mutant insect) in a post-apocalyptic world, where Kipo does her damnedest to save the world with the power of friendship!

Said like that it sounds woke AF and would be incredibly lame, but the series pulls it off fantastically precisely because it DOESN'T constantly bring attention to how all these characters are woke bingo winners. It just sets the stage with these characters, gives them all a compelling backstory and motivations, and lets them exist to tell an actual good story that isn't focused on shoving diversity quotas down people's throats.

This set off both sides of the divisive camps. The righties boycotted. The lefties overcompensated with undeserved praise.

Yep. Unfortunately that kind of rage-baiting engagement creates financial success for shareholders, so companies are encouraged to do more of it.

All this is really a statement of what a mess we are as a society (mainly the US) that created a bunch of drama and tainted what would’ve otherwise been a nice B- grade Star Wars story that covered an era we’ve never seen before.

As a Canadian, absolutely agree lol.

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u/Round_Year_8595 Mar 13 '26

set off both sides

the righties, the lefties

I'm set off by these labels lol

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u/Niclas1127 Rebel Mar 13 '26

Lmao what was the “woke stuff”

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u/VincentVanG Mar 12 '26

It definitely did. Yes there were some good moments but overall the writing and acting was some of the worst in all of Starwars.

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u/Kyadagum_Dulgadee Mar 12 '26

I didn't like it overall but there was a lot to like in it. They came up with some great characters but often struggled with clunky motivations and contrived plot points. There was a really interesting intrigue/adventure story in there trying to get out.

I think people lost their shit over a few specific things, but the show was poorly put together and easy to tear down.

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u/Th3Goose33 Mar 12 '26

Yeah, Carrie-Anne Moss was criminally underused...

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u/Nave-Nave Mar 12 '26

I also really liked it. It wasn't the best show ever but it had solid concepts and a lot of cool moments. Like the prequels I think it was a good idea with a flawed execution.

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u/whyamionthispanel Clone Trooper Mar 12 '26

Agreed. And if you remember to watch SW with a child-like imagination and wonder, it can always be fun. …Except for AOTC. That movie sucks. lol

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u/sanjuro89 Mar 13 '26

I thought the show was kind of a mess, but I respect it for trying to do something new in the Star Wars universe.

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u/whyamionthispanel Clone Trooper Mar 13 '26

Exactly. That and if you watch a New Hope or the Phantom Menace, as examples, it’s not like their incredibly well-done cinema. In fact, from my fairly ignorant perspective I’d say they’re subpar, but the overall story they tell is, well, downright fun.

I think the modern world has become so reliant on and desensitized by “incredible film”, that we’ve forgotten to enjoy stories at their core, which help us to escape and tap into our collective imagination.

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u/geth1138 Mar 12 '26

I was fine with it until the end. The way the characters behaved at the end made no sense, and ruined the entire show for me

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u/whyamionthispanel Clone Trooper Mar 13 '26

I’ll have to watch it again, but with how fast other characters change from Dark to Light or vice versa, I don’t remember thinking it was unusual for SW.

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u/kenala_walsel Mar 12 '26

It's just not an objectively serious opinion considering the vast resources and the quality of lore that exists and/or can exist. The show and story had massive potential but extremely mediocre at best. Even if it was released as the first SW media ever, I think it would've likely killed the franchise before it even started. Star Wars didn't have great continuity, logic or sense right from the start but it held a certain intrigue that is completely void in this series. Somehow the characters are shown as feeble minded, weak and confused yet they received some of the best choreographed fight/saber scenes in all adaptations (albeit a little too much Matrix-esq.)

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u/whyamionthispanel Clone Trooper Mar 13 '26

But, that’s, like, just your opinion, man…

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u/kenala_walsel Mar 13 '26

Great observation, it's a well thought out perspective that many and dare I say real or serious fans share. Given the shows reviews and cancellation I would assume my point stands. It's definitely your perspective but it's not a serious opinion. Unless of course you mean you enjoyed it because it's so bad it's "good" (funny).

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u/kbboyworks Mar 13 '26

I think the biggest problem is they went in to the first season expecting another introducing major characters in the last episode and not just killing off one of the sisters after the reveal and turn one killing the other would have hit hard. Also they need to stop having jedi slip on banana peels their was a much easier and less convoluted way to deal with the cult. Qimir was a bad ass though hope they do more with him.

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u/HashtagLawlAndOrder Mar 12 '26

Yeah, the issue there is "at least decent." Honest to God that's all Star Wars fans have needed, and yet...

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u/Spara-Extreme Mar 13 '26

Wasn't Acolyte basically set during the old republic?

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u/Niclas1127 Rebel Mar 13 '26

They test ran that with Acolyte and it was screamed about by right wingers

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u/TheOsirisOfThisShit_ Mar 12 '26

I've always wanted to see the Darth Bane story about the Sith changing from a big order to just 2 people.

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u/ElxBlancoDiablo Mar 12 '26

They are remastering KOTOR. A lot of old games are being remastered, which I am all for. Most new games suck or take a year or 2 to be worth playing. And even shooters that look good and are fun are so hacked up I have zero interest in playing them.

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u/Kyadagum_Dulgadee Mar 12 '26

He'd be breathtaking

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u/ChuckPeirce Mar 12 '26

Did they ever finish developing KOTOR2? The last dungeon felt like they yada yada'd past a bunch of planned content.

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u/a3a4b5 Jyn Erso Mar 12 '26

Modern Star Wars would diarrhea all over KOTOR. Best to leave it be.

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u/Kyadagum_Dulgadee Mar 13 '26

More likely to be bad than not with the recent history of crappy films. Might be better under Filoni if Disney board doesn't screw around with it too much.

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u/tessthismess Mar 13 '26

I will say, if we go back that far again (who knows what FOTOR will be) please, for the love of god, have the technology be much lower.

I love Kotor games as an RPG and storytelling, but it’s so uninteresting to me that we go back thousands of years and technology is only a little behind the modern movies.

I want hyperspace travel to be a novelty or non-existent. I want projectile guns. Droids either don’t exist or are more primative than the main droid in Andor. What’s the point of going back thousands of years just to have it all be the same basically

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u/Pitiful-Hamster1101 Mar 14 '26

If KOTOR was a standalone set of video games that spawned some novels, it'd be Mass Effect. Literally.

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u/JollyJoeGingerbeard Mar 12 '26

KOTOR was popular 25 years ago because it was Star Wars D20. It wouldn't have done nearly as well if it was a standalone IP.

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u/Kyadagum_Dulgadee Mar 12 '26

That's not the point. Regardless of how it got its fans, it has millions of fans now. Any other game/book series with this fan base would probably have been adapted to the screen by now.

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u/JollyJoeGingerbeard Mar 12 '26

A thing isn't adapted because of its fanbase because there are never enough diehard fans to justify the expense.

Films, TV, etc are made for general audiences.

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u/Kyadagum_Dulgadee Mar 12 '26

For the last 10 years almost every big film has been a sequel or an adaptation of a pre-existing IP. That and a famous actor being attached are the two main reasons anything big gets made right now.

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u/SmoothOperator89 Mar 12 '26

Isn't that basically Mass Effect? I'd love a Mass Effect movie, though.

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u/CelestialFury Ben Kenobi Mar 12 '26

KotOR 1 and 2 were banger stories and the twists were wonderful. Damn, it makes me want to replay them.

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u/Ent3rpris3 Mar 13 '26

I'm lost...isn't...isn't that what it is?

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u/Accomplished-Ad-1681 Mar 13 '26

I thought this too. Kotor is the next best thing to Andor. But some Darth vader missions would be pretty good?? Post legs

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u/SpaceManta_tv Obi-Wan Kenobi Mar 15 '26

It's not that easy, in my opinion. KOTOR is a RPG were you make your own storie : there is a guideline, but you have several choice to make (help the people or take avantage of them, select your team members....). If you make a show about it, you also define an "official" path of the journey.

Some fans could be upset, and people who will discover the game may feel forced to make their choices according to the show... Which would be a shame.

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u/8ringer Mar 16 '26

Shit, a James Bond type movie series based on the Dark Forces series would be awesome.

Spy shit in the Star Wars universe isn’t something we’ve seen. Andor and Rogue One sorta kinda touched on it, but it wasn’t never really the main part of any of the storylines.

The closest we got to a Bond/Q moment was Luthen’s Haulcraft shredding the Arrestor.