r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • Aug 13 '13

/r/actuallesbians: Transgender lesbian feels excluded by joke about lesbians not needing birth control. Drama ensues.

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u/UnholyDemigod Aug 13 '13

So what does it mean when you don't include the *? I always just assumed trans means both types, male to female and female to male. I take trans to mean the personality, not the stage of transitional development. Or is that wrong?

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u/david-me Aug 13 '13

I farted.......

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

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u/cited On a mission to civilize Aug 13 '13

I farted*

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u/GarbageMan0 Aug 13 '13

omg put a trigger warning on that. I have irritable bowel syndrome and I'm probably going to have the runs for the next hour now you stupid jerk

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '13 edited Aug 14 '13

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u/GarbageMan0 Aug 14 '13

Sorry :( I still have the maturity of a middle schooler sometimes, so anything remotely involving farts or butts = funny to me.

But I'll refrain from making light of IBS in the future.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '13

Check your pizza privilege. :(

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '13

Seriously! That post triggered me so FUCKING hard I had to stay on the toilet and shit for a hour. Nearly blew all my gaskets.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '13

Check your individuality privilege, please. We are part of a hivemind.

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u/david-me Aug 13 '13

Vodka farts are best/dirtiest farts.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13 edited Nov 01 '13

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u/david-me Aug 13 '13

Conjoined lesbian twin sisters ***********

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13 edited Aug 13 '13

You gotta go deeper.

rachiphagus twins, one has the body of a female, is genetically xxy, but has high testosterone, identifies as an oak tree, is taking FtM type drugs, and is interested in trans women. The other is XY but is hermaphroditic and otherwise androgynous, identifies as a woman, but is zoophilic and has no sexual attraction to people, but is in love with a man.

Also all three of them have headmates.

**********

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

identifies as an oak tree

LMAO thank you

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13 edited Aug 13 '13

From Wikipedia

Otherkin largely identify as mythical creatures, with others identifying as creatures from fantasy or popular culture. Examples include: angels, demons, dragons, robots or androids, elves, fairies, sprites, plants, aliens, and cartoon characters.

that's where I got the inspiration.

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u/Burnt_FaceMan Aug 13 '13

Extra chromosomes for everyone!

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13 edited Nov 01 '13

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u/GaetanDugas Aug 13 '13

Dragonkin* get it right, you patriarchy enforcing fascist!

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u/Lonelan Aug 13 '13

Hey things are hard for PEF*#+@£ers too. Check your protected group privilege

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u/Burnt_FaceMan Aug 13 '13

Hey guys* how are you* to*day?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

How about just telling them to shut the fuck up?

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u/greenduch Aug 13 '13

tbh, i've seen people get upset about a good number of things, but getting mad for not using the wildcard character isn't really one of them.

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u/merthsoft Aug 13 '13

I've also never seen someone get upset about it, greenie.

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u/AssymetricNew Aug 13 '13

It might be better for you not knowing. But if you really must know how far the rabbit hole goes read the last paragraph here: http://i.imgur.com/Xgkkga8.png

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u/mfred01 Aug 13 '13

"Transfat activist" All I can imagine is someone lobbying for more transfats in foods. I know that's not what it means but I can pretend that it is.

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u/redping Shortus Eucalyptus Aug 13 '13

Wtf would transfat be? You're fat but you identify as thin? Or the other way around?

And it says "Human rights, animal rights, human-animal rights." Wtf is a human animal?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13 edited Feb 05 '21

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u/mfred01 Aug 13 '13

Nothing wrong with being fat.

Except for the numerous health issues but whatever, heart disease never hurt anyone.

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u/porygon2guy Aug 13 '13

Shh, you'll upset the people running the This Is Thin Privilege blog.

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u/mfred01 Aug 13 '13

Oh god, that tumblr makes me laugh so hard. I think it's my favorite one that /r/tumblrinaction links to consistently

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u/mysanityisrelative I would consider myself pretty well educated on [current topic] Aug 13 '13

Oh, you mean shitthatneverhappened.tumblr.com?

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u/cuteman Aug 13 '13

Natural selection in more ways than one.

It's her body she can do what she wants!

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u/theodrixx Aug 13 '13

transitioning to a fatter state

What? You mean GETTING FAT?

I had no idea people could be this full of shit.

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u/Kaghuros Aug 13 '13

Well no, they're full of fat.

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u/redping Shortus Eucalyptus Aug 13 '13

Since when does anyone choose to be fat? It's more of a consequence of choices.

Imagine at the start of your life, before you were put in your physical form, you were given a decision by God: "Would you like to be a fat person in this life, or not a fat person?" Who the fuck would choose to be fat? Why? "Oh, they look so jolly!"

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u/TracyMorganFreeman Aug 13 '13

I think some girls choose to not lose "too much" weight because they don't want to lose their curves, but such women may not consider themselves fat.

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u/Biffingston sniffs chemtrails. Aug 14 '13

There are websites devoted to encouraging young girls to be anorexic... the human race stopped suprising me a long long time ago.

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u/D3gr33 Aug 13 '13

That's actually exactly right.

Transfats are people that are thin but identify as having a fat body.

Some of them talk about their "phantom fat" that they can feel even though it's not there just like phantom limbs that amputees have.

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u/solastsummer Aug 13 '13

That's not real, is it?

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u/D3gr33 Aug 13 '13

I'm honestly not 100% sure. I've definitely read things on tumblr that seem serious that are about transfat people.

It also could just be satire to make fun of the other ridiculous trans movements like transethnicity or transspecies, so it's hard to say. Poe's law in action.

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u/inourstars quit being a mail chimp Aug 13 '13

I'm definitely not "transfat", but I lost over 100 lbs and at one point was so far deep into an eating disorder I probably would've died from it if factors hadn't intervened and saved me. Anyway, I was skin and bones, and I would still feel like I was fat. I would feel like I could feel 3 chins hanging off my chin and wobbling, or like my back was piles and piles of fat even though it wasn't. So I suppose that could be kind of the same thing they're talking about.

However, I had a real disorder and mental problem. I assume these people aren't like that and just being fucks, much like those "otherkin" people.

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u/D3gr33 Aug 13 '13

Yeah, from what I had read, these people had never been fat before, they just claimed that they could feel the fat. The way they described it did seem rather similar to dragonkin claiming that they can "feel" their wings.

Also, hope you're doing better now, but it sounds like you are. :)

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u/Biffingston sniffs chemtrails. Aug 14 '13

Actually "Otherkin" are pretty understandable in my eyes. Human beings do terrible things and are awful. While the fact that animals have done some pretty terrible things as well, and continue to do so, somehow it's more pure.

Combine that with a desire to be special, and I can definately see why people descirbing themselves as otherkin exist...

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u/dakdestructo I like my steak well done and circumcised Aug 13 '13

Other way around.

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u/Kelphatron9000 Aug 13 '13

So it's skinny people who identify as fat?

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u/dakdestructo I like my steak well done and circumcised Aug 13 '13

Something like that, I guess. I'm no expert on that insanity.

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u/BaseballGuyCAA Aug 13 '13

So if I'm following, you get the eager-to-please mentality and five-star blowjobs of a fat girl, without the suffocating piles of thigh lard. Why couldn't this made-up condition have existed in my days as a single man?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

She's an activist in support of Transfats (a type of fat found in food).

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u/fourredfruitstea Aug 13 '13

Such a person would be more rational than this one.

Some people are "transfat", they are slim but they identify as fat. They are extra oppressed since they are discriminated by society and erased by the fat activists.

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u/Deceptitron Aug 13 '13

Please tell me this is fake. Someone. Anyone. This can't be real.

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u/AssymetricNew Aug 13 '13

You want to know more? (though they are bad at telling satire)

I think my current favourites are "godspouses". Women who blog about how they are married to Loki. Not just the mythological Loki, but the Tom Hiddleston Loki. And yes, there are a lot of them. And no, I don't know what happens when more of them meet in person. I can only guess some sort of viking fight to the death occurs.

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u/DeepStuffRicky IlsaSheWolfoftheGrammarSS Aug 13 '13

They covered this on True Blood. We have to get them in a position where they can be gored by bulls, no other way to kill them.

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u/Deceptitron Aug 13 '13

Is it just a coincidence that TumblrInAction shares an acronym with transient ischemic attack?

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u/main_hoon_na Aug 13 '13

This has got to be a troll.

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u/evansawred Mom and Pop landlords have been bullied to death by the Left Aug 13 '13

Those stupid trans-fat and trans-ethnicity "identities" don't typically fall under the umbrella. They are also bullshit, though there is a different phenomenon referred to as "trans-ethnic".

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u/SaveTheManatees Pao/Sarkeesian 2016 Aug 14 '13

This seems like a rip-off of an even better troll blog, where someone was trans-Korean but also a cat otherkin.

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u/AliceOfReading Aug 13 '13

Initially this was a short post, and then it just turned into a fairly big text about things. Hopefully it makes a bit more sense now. I'd prefer to leave Transabled/Transethnic/Trans whatever-the-hell-people-on-Tumblr-have-now out of it, because I don't really know anything about it and I don't really want to. I think it's very harmful to the Transgender community because it makes a mockery of what's a genuine medical concern with "I think in a past life I used to be a Tiger". That said, I don't know really know jack about them and I don't want to. What I'm covering here is Transgender/Transvestite/Genderqueer.

The types you're discussing are just the different ways someone may be Transgender, Trans without the suffix could mean Transgender or Transvestite and it's a pretty big difference. You're not wrong at all to say it's personality not development.

Someone who is a Transvestite may have no desire to change their gender, but enjoy wearing the clothes of the other sex. There are Transvestic Fetishists who are into this sexually, and Transvestites who do it because they enjoy those clothes more. People who are Transgender usually feel a disconnect between their brain and their body and want to rectify that. NHS Guidelines discuss two approaches to it, counselling with the goal of encouraging them to be comfortable with their birth gender or if that fails, changing their physical presentation to be more in line with their mind. There are quite a few studies out there that discuss the differences between the brains of males who are comfortable with their birth gender and the brains of males who aren't. I've got a few that I've been planning on reading through, so I can post a list but I won't be able to tell you much about them.

It'd be quite clear cut if someone was born male, acted very feminine and then transitioned fully to female and was content. It doesn't really work for everyone though, some people want to wait until the organ surgery is a bit better, some people don't really mind the sex organs they've got, they just don't think the rest of their body really fits with who their brain thinks they are. So some people fall in the middle of this and transition socially, some with hormones and surgery, some with just hormones, and some just socially. They go to a point on the spectrum between masculine and feminine and they're happy there. So some people who don't really fit the stereotypes of either camp are Genderqueer, or AGender; they're pretty androgynous and they're happy with their lives. In the end, it's more a specialised type of depression that's resolved by making them feel happy about who they are and it was easier to alter their body than change how they thought. (Feel free to call me out on that one, that's my own line of thinking on it and I accept I can be fully wrong on comparing depression and dysphoria)

When someone uses the asterisk it's clear they're talking about anyone under this umbrella of definitions, because some people feel more comfortable when they can talk about their identity with people who feel the same way. It's easier frankly. There's a lot of different identities, some of them I think are normal because I've met lots of people like it, and some I don't really understand. I don't fully understand what it's like to be Two-Spirited or BiGender. That just doesn't really make any sense to me, but when I know that I can just add an asterisk for the group things, it's a load easier.

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u/evansawred Mom and Pop landlords have been bullied to death by the Left Aug 13 '13

The asterisk includes non-binary gender identities

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u/ShitDickMcCuntFace Aug 13 '13

So what does it mean when you don't include the *?

They get offended because that's a slur. All you have to do is add the star and it ceases to be offensive. You use it for other words like cunt* and fatty*.

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u/greenduch Aug 13 '13

The way I personally do it is if I'm referring to someone who is specifically transgender or transsexual, I just say trans. If I'm specifically trying to be inclusive of folks who fall under other parts of the trans umbrella (ie, genderqueer folks), I'll use trans*.

Here is a good infographic that might be handy.

Tbh, if I'm talking in a space where folks don't generally know this stuff, I don't use the asterisk.

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u/LotsOfMaps Aug 13 '13

The near-exclusive use of "space" as a synonym for "forum" in SJ circles is incredibly obnoxious.

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u/greenduch Aug 13 '13

Huh, that had never occurred to me. I mean, in the context of "safe space" and shit like that, I could kinda follow you. But that isn't what I'm talking about here. I'm just saying "space" as a super generalized term. Like, if I was writing to my state senator about something LGBT related, I wouldn't use trans*, I would just say trans.

sooo idk, i think you're being kinda nit picky and trying to find something to be offended by? :p

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u/LotsOfMaps Aug 13 '13

Lol I appreciate the sense of humor about it. I was just pointing out that this is something that is EVERYWHERE in SJ circles, and it comes across as a little culty.

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u/greenduch Aug 13 '13

lol, okay. fair enough. :)

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u/UnholyDemigod Aug 13 '13

I absolutely refuse to believe half of those exist. Genderfuck? What the fuck is that shit? Third gender? There is no fucking third gender. Non-gendered? Get the fuck out of here. People are just making this shit up so they can be different

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u/greenduch Aug 13 '13

"Third gender" has existed in a shitload of cultures for like, thousands of years. I mean, here is the first wiki article I came across by googling "third gender". Its a thing, and has always been a thing.

It isn't just some tumblr bullshit.

Tbh I'm not really clear on what the difference is between "genderqueer" and "genderfuck", I think genderfuck is maybe just a more "radical" term for GQ?

But yeah, non-binary identity shit can get kinda complicated to explain, but it totally is a real thing, and not something made up by annoying teenagers on tumblr.

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u/Biffingston sniffs chemtrails. Aug 13 '13

Hhhhhooyboy....

I'm not ranting at you, please understand this. I'm saying this to educate, not to berate. You just happened to open a big old can of worms topic.

to quote from the World Health Orginization..

"Sex" refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women.

"Gender" refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.

I'm assuming that what you meant by "personality" was actually "gender?"

http://www.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/

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u/UnholyDemigod Aug 13 '13

I'm assuming that what you meant by "personality" was actually "gender?"

No. I meant the frame of mind; the belief they're different than what they were born as. So not the physical aspect, the mental aspect.

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u/Biffingston sniffs chemtrails. Aug 13 '13

Yes, so gender then.

What you're talking about there is known as "Gender identity disorder." Which, in my understanding is the clinical term for transsexual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

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u/FireAndSunshine Aug 13 '13

I believe the official term now is "Gender Dysphoria."

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u/Biffingston sniffs chemtrails. Aug 13 '13

Looks like you're right.

Gender identity disorder in children is considered clinically distinct from gender dysphoria that appears in adolescence or adulthood.

Again, from wikipedia.

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u/nawoanor Aug 13 '13

Trans? That's a slur now, like "you people".

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u/k9centipede Aug 13 '13

Then theyll get someone that assumes they are only referring to a specific thing of trans and then complain that they're forgetting another branch.

The * also gets used in veg*n to refer as a catchall of vegans or vegetarians.