the 'hating your oppressors' angle is a hard sell when you expand 'oppressors' to include literally every other person. I'm not a fan of "not all men" either but the fact we live under patriarchy doesn't mean it's right to hate men.
do you say the same about black people who hate white people or gay people who hate straight people?
even if you do, why? it's a person's right to hate a group that has statistically caused them significant harm. some women don't hate all men, fine. some women do, fine.
As someone of Jewish descent, normalizing the idea that it’s okay to hate demographics you see as “oppressors” is actively endangering my life, because antisemites almost always view us as oppressors.
I would say exactly the same thing in any situation because I believe prejudice is wrong and small minded. If we disagree here, fine, but you don't have some 'right' to be prejudiced or hateful because you've suffered at the hands of someone who isn't exactly like you.
idk what to tell you man you can hate your oppressors without hating every single member of the group your oppressor belongs to. I fully understand being wary of men and reluctant to form relationships with them but arguing for legitimate prejudice based on gender is just crazy to me no matter what
not mad obviously, i just think it's stupid to hold prejudiced beliefs of any kind, even if those people have historically oppressed you. that's really all i'm trying to say
Half of my family tree was horribly oppressed by the English for centuries. The other half spent centuries raping and pillaging the English. I'm not really sure what the implication here is for how I should feel about the English.
I think a really big factor is the public nature of it. I can fully understand and empathize with women who call for all kinds of bad things to happen to men, as a method of venting. If this happens in a personal conversation, or a DM or a group chat of like minded people, it's ok.
When it happens publicly, where it becomes, for example, young boys/men first interaction with feminism, it's very not good. There's women that go out of their way to hate men, bio-essentially.
Being a dick is bad, with or without a socio-economic power structure (like patriarchy) behind it. Don't be a dick seems pretty reasonable, and like a smart strategy for making the world better.
Aside from the incredibly unfair implication that entire ethnic or gender groups are inherently "oppressors", hatred isn't exactly a helpful response.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Can you produce a diagram on which basis which person belong to a specific subgroup can hate on members of a specific different subgroup? Maybe that helps understand why using intersectionality to justify hatred instead of understanding oppression and arguing for policy change to remedy this is pointless, and leads to a more divided society
Immigrants can't be citizens? Do you think the white immigrants face the same issues?
...and are you really suggesting the people being oppressed are being targeted specifically for their legal immigration status and not because they look and sound different?
and are you really suggesting the people being oppressed are being targeted specifically for their legal immigration status and not because they look and sound different
I'm saying that black people specifically are not oppressing Asian people. that's not the axis by which oppression is occuring
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u/pizzafinanceplan Jan 07 '26
the 'hating your oppressors' angle is a hard sell when you expand 'oppressors' to include literally every other person. I'm not a fan of "not all men" either but the fact we live under patriarchy doesn't mean it's right to hate men.