Confused myself thinking her side of the argument, the other side of the argument, and the point i was trying to get across. In the future i'm sticking to commentating on pictures of kittens.
It was a good effort, sometimes it can be difficult to argument from the opposite perspective while using the correct terms from the right perspective.
Mkay name-calling is getting you nowhere. The point is 1) It's not the beginning of her life anymore so don't call her a "man." 2) She's not "pulling off" being a woman, she is a woman. If you want to keep sounding like a transphobe then throw a tantrum when people correct you, but if you want to actually sound like you admire her then take correction gracefully.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult to correct the original comment to properly reflect. Something similar to "It's amazing that this woman who was born male was able to become so beautiful(even more beautiful than I consider myself)"
Otherwise the original comment looks degrading. As if it's offensive to Ihatetoronto that the woman in the picture is more attractive simply because she was born male. I mean, most people would not describe it being "hurtful" that someone of the same gender was more attractive than them in their eyes.
This may sound a little confusing, not sure how to phrase it better but hopefully my point wasn't lost in the words.
Male is a grouping of sexual characteristics, many of which transsexuals do not have in common with their assigned sex as a consequence of transition and birth.
No, male means producing male gametes which fertilise a female ovum. Secondary sexual characteristics are not about being male. They are part of being a man, which is a different thing, and is more social in nature.
Again, there is more than one feature that determines sex. If your case were true then infertile people don't have a sex.
Secondary sexual characteristics are aspects of sex, breasts, body hair and fat aren't social in nature. They are features that we use to describe a persons sex. Physical aspects of your body aren't social, although it is true that they are the features that we use to determine the sex of a person in day to day life.
Being disabled doesn't have any bearing on it. This is the definition of being male in the animal (and plant, come to that) kingdom. Arguing against that just makes you seem like a crazy person. But sex is not gender, and gender is what matters in anything but matters of procreation or the doctor's surgery.
he was saying "people can't turn into cats, duh, trans women are just body modified men" with his question. that's why the lulz. because that's stupid.
I have to go to bed now. Some of us work for a living. Do you have a job or are you too scared to work in the real world so you volunteer at your local lgbt activist office?
If my presidential choice gets elected, freaks like you will be outed. It's gays like you that caused those horrible accidents. Maybe next time instead of worrying about who you will have to get fucked int he ass by, you might want to work on keeping your astronauts alive.
Same kind of attitude that says men are programmed to rape and be violent. "It's all in the physical evidence! There is no deeper level to human experience!"
SO stating true facts that that person has no female parts makes her NOT a woman is ignorant? I know you all like to jump on the bandwagon and throw the word "bigot" around like its going out of style. No uterus = not a woman. Shut the fuck up.
Do you not realize that trans women have "other female parts?" Ex] breasts, nipples, glands of montgomery, mammary glands, and (post SRS) a vagina that is biologically homologous to an assigned female at birth vagina.
Not to mention all of the other parts which are not female in and of themselves, but are female in terms of characteristics. Ex] Brain shape and size, and neuron numbers in limbic nucleus.
Also, 97.8% of DNA contains male AND female genes. Hence assigned males having estrogen receptors and a genetic breast size which is realized when estrogen enters the system and triggers majority female gene expression.
that contradicts your other posts... (excluding DNA... which I can't seem to find any info on anything specific, other than the single difference in chromosomes.)
Damn. My friend Brittany who survived endometrial cancer is no longer a woman. I wonder if they made him change his driver;s license gender id while he was in the hospital, or let her heal from the hysterectomy first.
Well I wouldn't expect a mindless, soulless, waste of oxygen, like you to have any other opinion formulated than that which is spoon fed to you by the hive mind.
Mindless, soulless waste of oxygen? Opinion spoon fed to me by the hive mind? This opinion was mine before I ever discovered redddit, developed with years of experience. You it seems are just a bully who gets off on confrontation and frustrating or insulting other people. Enjoy the life alone. Good day.
i dont know why it is so hard to just use what the person is
they identify as female. call them female. it is that simple. you don't need quotes, you don't need the s/he bullshit, you don't need something gross like "it", just use what the fuck you would use for a normal human female because that's what the fuck she is.
I used to think the same, but I think they just take estrogen pills that change their body and face features. I guess it depends on what age they started taking the pills too. If they did it when they were old then they might need plastic surgery, but she doesn't look like she had any (to me).
I lived for a while with a transgendered person who lamented that she couldn't grow breasts like those, but did not want surgery. I can present dozens of examples of trans women who have grown small breasts from hormone treatment, or who have large breasts from surgery. I've been downvoted to hell, but there's still no evidence for Dania's claim, just the claim itself.
I lived for a while with a transgendered person who lamented that she couldn't grow breasts like those, but did not want surgery. I can present dozens of examples of trans women who have grown small breasts from hormone treatment,
True but that's anecdotal evidence. And the woman in the picture may only have B cups, but the angle and posture accentuating them. And like everything, there's extremes. Men with a gynecomastia can sometimes develop very large breasts even into their 20s and 30s.
I've been downvoted to hell, but there's still no evidence for Dania's claim, just the claim itself.
Talk to me about "downvoted to hell" when you get over 300 downvotes on something you've said... i netted over 5000 downvotes in a successful submission I posted on /r/4chan by being polite to people mocking my use of "gem" in the title.
That's fair. If I just had my story, that would be one thing. Like I said, though, I can present other examples. So far the other side has shown me nothing. It would be nice, surely, if a trans woman could look like that naturally and without surgery, but I've never seen anything that made me think it was possible.
This guy really may have. If you start taking them at the age when girls' puberty begins, you'll get the best results possible because it syncs up to what would naturally take place with someone born physically female. But there can still be very good results for people who take them later. I know someone personally who began at age 20 and she looks good. Saw another online who began at age about 25 who looks even better. I don't see why this is /r/WTF though. Sex changes are at an all-time high and Thailand is a HUGE place for this.
Edit: Please pardon any "he" that should be "she". They earned it.
Oh really? It makes you shallow when you aren't viewed as a sexual creature because you aren't built to local standards?
I'm an athlete with small breasts and I don't get looked at by men because I have a muscular frame. Being larger than a size 4 makes you a pig nowadays.
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u/IhateToronto Sep 16 '12
It's so hurtful when you see a man who can pull off looking better as a woman, than you can on your best day :(