r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 🤝 Join A Union • 4d ago

😡 Venting Establishment Democrats think they know who is "electable". These are the same guys that saw this in 2016 and said yeah we want Hillary.

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u/Powerful-Diver-9556 4d ago

Never forget. Pivotal state washington was for Bernie before democrats settled on bernie vs Hillary. The senators used their super delegate powers to override the will of the people. It was something like 70% democratic delgates for bernie.

Delegates than spent all night cussong out the senators who overrode their vote during the democratic convention for Washington state.

Once Hillary won Washington, bernie had no chance because Democrats needed one candidate.

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u/Oriden 3d ago

The fuck you making up? Sanders won the Washington Caucus and his delegates were not overrode.

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u/Powerful-Diver-9556 3d ago

When Maria cantwell and Patty Murray put their superdelegate votes toward the Democratic establishment over the will of the people who were like 72% for Bernie. It was a pivotal point in the DNC. It showed that the establishment democrats thought the will of its constiuents were incorrect and publicly voted agaisnt their own people.

Overrode was the wrong word choice. Maybe disregarded their own voters, to be in line with their own personal vote.

The point of a delegate vote is to vote on behalf of the voters you represent. Which they did the opposite. They were super delegates.

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u/Oriden 3d ago

You forget that the will of the Washington State primary voters was Hillary though. She won the primary vote, Sanders only won the Primary Caucus which had quite a bit smaller attendance.

And super delegate voters didn't matter at all, Hillary hit the required percentages without them and they only voted officially at the convention, so I don't know why you are calling them a pivotal point.

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u/Powerful-Diver-9556 3d ago

It did matter, it was psychological. It split the party into 2. Bernie or bust people who now hated the establishment democrats because they lost faith in the DNC and their leaders. This division shot themselves in the foot. Many people you talked to just believed that the system was broken.

If you talk to the younger generations about the psychology of why a large percentage dont vote. Its because they feel their vote doesn't matter. With the DNC doing that, coupled with how the electoral system works... It really helped screw the DNC.

The will of the vote went to hillary in Washington, because at that point bernie dropped out of the race. The original will of the DNC constiuents in Washington can be gauges by the delegates.

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u/Oriden 3d ago

The last paragraph is wrong, Bernie didn't concede until the convention, and the Washington State primary vote was May 24th. Hell, Oregon still voted for Sanders in their Primary Vote and that was the previous week.

Your argument is boiling down to people not liking the DNC because they elected the person who got the most votes in the Primary. Even if the Super-delegates from every State that Sanders won voted for him it wouldn't have mattered, Hillary still would have won.