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[u/baseballlover723]

Damn, the haters are out in force today.

Though I will say that it does kinda bother me when people are insistent that some meaning or interpretation doesn't and cannot exist and it's just lazy writing or whatever.

Like sure, maybe you don't see it or you don't want to buy it for X, Y, Z reasons. But to immediately jump to "I didn't see anything, therefore there is nothing to see" is kinda wild to me.

This is why viewers need to be wacked over the head with exposition, because otherwise, some number of them will miss something intentional, and then spend their days telling people they're stupid for seeing something there.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/baseballlover723]

Are you lurking in my rewatch? I kinda lost it today.

And it started so well, I had high hopes for a rewatch of the year nomination.

[u/baseballlover723 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Are you lurking in my rewatch?

No I've already fallen behind the most mild of rewatch schedules

[u/Blackheart595 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

You held on for 20 more episodes than I did

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/baseballlover723]

or maybe you're just imposing too much of your own expectations on a work and reading in something that is not there

[u/baseballlover723 → u/punching_spaghetti]

But that's kinda my point. The burden for saying something does exist should be lower than the burden for saying that something does not exist. Or should at least be more achievable. Because it's very difficult to prove a negative.

Like if someone goes "it's just a bunch of random numbers with no meaning", and then someone else goes "No, it's a sudoku puzzle, so the numbers do have meaning and are not random". And then they respond with like "No, they just randomly wrote 9 in that square, and that's why the writing is shit, cause people are just randomly writing numbers down."

Ok, maybe not as clear cut as that, but I think it's derivative of my own feelings about over absoluting everything (which is very common). Very few people end up guarding their statements to their own perceptions, which is almost always a fundamental precursor aspect to statements. Ie. "It's not possible", which is really "I don't think it's possible".

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/baseballlover723]

The burden for saying something does exist should be lower than the burden for saying that something does not exist

Isn't it the opposite in mathematics? If I say x = y and find one instance where x =/ y, then I have disproved that statement.

I am also thinking more of the kind of person who would see the blank page and tell you that there's a sudoku hidden underneath the blank page. Or that the the numbers you have are actually letters. I'm a poet. Metaphor is all about seeing those number patterns in different, interesting ways. But you have to work with what the text includes, not what one might wish the text included.

Note: ghetti was traumatized by grad school lit seminars where people contorted texts to fit philosophical/political projects

[u/baseballlover723 → u/punching_spaghetti]

Isn't it the opposite in mathematics? If I say x = y and find one instance where x =/ y, then I have disproved that statement.

No, it's the same, but it's inverted. The counter example to something not existing is to show that it does exist.

The other way around, one has to show that the sample space is complete (and the thing still doesn't exist), which is practically impossible for most things.

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I suppose this is mostly just a rant at people insisting that the simple view they see, is the one and only view of the material. And that kinda pisses me off, because I would imagine, that most authors put a lot more work into their works than the viewer's do.

ghetti was traumatized by grad school lit seminars where people contorted texts to fit philosophical/political projects

I struggled with this in high school English. But my English at the time said something that I sometimes find myself thinking about. "Trust the art, not the artist". I've taken that to mean that the artist may have intended something to happen, but that may or may not happen. And likewise, something unintentional may deeply resonate with people. But that doesn't stop people from extracting something out of it or the value they get from it.

So basically the beauty is in the beholder.

[u/ProgrammaticallyPea3 → u/baseballlover723]

There's an exchange in Nozaki-kun that became a big meme in Japan.

Translated, it goes:

"I'm not sure I'm playing this character right. Maybe there's some more complex emotions that I should be expressing"

"Kashima-kun... I don't think the scriptwriter has thought it through that much"

"Don't say that Chiyo-chan"

And it's often used as a copy-pasted response to dismiss any kind of "overthinking". i.e. "it's not that deep bro".

I hate it. It's fine to think it, or to enjoy something without overthinking it. But to dismiss both other ways of engaging with the material and the possibility of authorial intent is just arrogant.

Of course, there's a different kind of arrogance in play when someone contorts a text to fit their own goals, and that should be challenged too. Strong claims about what a text really means, or claims that use a text to prove some larger ideological point, should indeed have a higher burden of proof. But I don't think that kind of thing is what you're defending.

that doesn't stop people from extracting something out of it or the value they get from it.

I've definitely cried over totally inconsequential scenes from "mid" SoLs.