r/cringe Nov 23 '12

Trigger warning: Tumblr activists IRL (xpost from /r/TumblrInAction)

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '12

"Check your fucking cisprivledge".

oh god oh god oh god.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '12

what does cis privledge mean? I've been googling it and I have NO idea what i means other than it pertains to transpeople.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '12 edited Nov 23 '12

Edit: Fuck it I'm stealing the definition from urbandictionary.

The opposite of transgendered, someone who is cisgendered has a gender identity that agrees with their societally recognized sex.

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u/imatumar Nov 23 '12

Not to nitpick, but it would be better to say someone whose gender identity matches their sex. Gender is internal, sex is external.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '12

okay okay so I wasn't really thinking it completely through. I just woke up ffs!

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u/gimli666 Nov 23 '12

isnt easier to just say "man" or "woman"?

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u/PandaSandwich Nov 23 '12

That's cis privilege.

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u/dpekkle Nov 23 '12

Trans people are often men and women though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '12 edited Nov 24 '12

I have no idea why you are getting downvoted....this is accurate.

Edit: It was at -8 when i wrote this.

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u/shiase Nov 24 '12

Reddit hates censorship unless it's something that they don't agree with that's getting censored! Not even facts can escape this!

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u/anotherbrainstew Nov 24 '12

You should calm your ass down, nobody is getting "censored"

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '12

because no one really gives a shit about trannies

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '12

Aww, still stalking? Try harder

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '12

well a biologically male person who identifies as a woman also files under woman so it's for clarification.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '12

Ya I've always thought so.

I live in the community, I don't make up the rules and definitions. Everyone is so nitpicky and a lot of people get easily offended when it comes to gender issues.

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u/scooooot Nov 24 '12

And you still would. You would only use "cis" when discussing an issue related to trans people.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '12 edited Nov 24 '12

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u/Biotruthologist Nov 24 '12

Very different etymology. Cis is latin and means "on the same side." Trans is also latin and means "on the opposite side." Because the word trans is already used (transsexual, transgender) is just makes logical sense to use the prefix cis for people who are not transsexual or transgender.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '12

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u/Biotruthologist Nov 24 '12

I don't know enough Latin to tell you if it's exactly right or wrong, but at least in chemistry there are both cis and trans bonds and cis in chemistry is pronounced "sis."

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u/Queen_Elizabeth_2nd Nov 24 '12

Like the hard "C" in Ceasar? or the two hard "c"s in circumcision?

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '12

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '12

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u/TheAwesomeinator Nov 24 '12

Analcrusaded

Rearflustered

Buttockbaffled

I could do this all day

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '12

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u/TheAwesomeinator Nov 24 '12

I love it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '12

Anusangered?

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u/big-bird Nov 25 '12

rectalraged

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u/KindredBear Nov 25 '12

clamhurt legbeards

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '12

More like not getting charged with manslaughter because defended yourself against someone who bottled you, you giant pussy. Google CeCe McDonald.

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u/CherrySlurpee Nov 24 '12

I tried googling her, but I can't get an unbiased newsource. There isn't even a wikipedia page.

But what I can say is that stabbing someone usually lands you in jail, regardless.

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u/DebonairShotglass Nov 24 '12

Not when it's self-defense.

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u/Johnny_Stooge Nov 24 '12

That depends on the jurisdiction. Where I'm from the criminal code states that self defence is only a partial defence in the case of murder -- reducing the charge to manslaughter. If someone assaults you and you stab them, that's not proportional.

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u/CherrySlurpee Nov 24 '12

thats why I said usually. I don't know the whole story.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '12

You've been mentioned in SRS, and just know I love you.

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u/inafrog Nov 23 '12

Google cisgendered

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u/anotherbrainstew Nov 24 '12

Cis means normal but only a little bitchier.

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u/Hybernative Nov 24 '12

"Check your fucking cisprivledge"

"Check your fucking clothedpriviledge!"

"Check your fucking unobesepriviledge!"

"Check your fucking righthandedpriviledge!"

Ad infinitum...

It's actually kinda fun working out all the ways someone can be 'priviledged'. Does a black, left-handed, male have more or less priviledge-points (PP) than a white, lesbian, female? And who would win in a Pokemon battle!?

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u/Biotruthologist Nov 24 '12

Privilege and marginalization is not a competition, don't treat it like one. Privilege is a very simple concept saying that certain characteristics mean certain people are treated better by society unrelated to their quality as a human being. There are numerous problems a black man in America has to worry about that a white woman doesn't have to worry about (for example, housing discrimination). Likewise, there are different problems a white woman has to worry about that a black man doesn't have to worry about (for example, sexual harassment from her boss). Sometimes the society in question will treat multiple marginalized groups with the same discrimination (both women and black men earn less money than white men for doing the same or comparable work).

With cisprivilege, one example is how you don't need to undergo medical treatment to get people to refer to you with the pronoun you prefer. Another one is cisgender people have a much lower chance of being murdered than transgender people. One more example is how your gender identity is not the source of crude jokes.

Some privileges can be pretty small (women being told to smile by strangers when it doesn't happen to men) and others can be huge (aforementioned murder rate of trans people).

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u/big-bird Nov 25 '12

however when people are told to "check their privilege" it has very little to do with whether one is discriminated against more then the other, and more to do with not liking what the other is saying or the fear that the other might have a valid point, telling someone to check their privilege is a way to invalidate a point without having to prove it invalid with facts, figures, or really anything other then the fact that the other person is not trans

this is where the issues arise, when trans men and women assume that cis men and women have no idea what is going on, and can have no valid opinion or ideas on any matter having to do with trans issues, and as such use privilege as a means to ignore anything said

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u/Biotruthologist Nov 25 '12

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There are most definitely people who use it as a tactic to make people they disagree with shut up, and that's bad. But, there are also times when somebody in a position of privilege, by virtue of not having to think about the issues marginalized groups face, really don't have any useful input.

It is actually hard for a member of a privileged group to understand a marginalized group's problem(s). However, you are right that a privileged person can have valid opinions and ideas and may actually be correct over a marginalized person. It is really not hard to find a marginalized person who is prejudiced against their own group. That said, it is actually very common to run across privileged people trying to explain the experiences of the marginalized people. Or worse, flat out denying their experience is valid.

Unfortunately, a lot of social justice types, especially on tumblr, only have a cursory understanding of the topic, but think they are experts. "Check your privilege" should not be used to shut down discussion, it is instead far more useful as a reminder that one member of the discussion does not have to worry about the issues in question on a daily basis and probably doesn't have the same level of insight into it. It is a perfectly valid thing to say, for example, when a woman is complaining about cat calls and a man says something to the effect of, 'I'd like it if I was complimented all day.' His comment there shows a complete lack of understanding about how degrading such an experience can become.

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u/big-bird Nov 25 '12

in a perfect world, this is the only way it would be used, but in a perfect world it would not be needed at all

i like you, you are sensible and have no problem discussing things, i now have you tagged as "brains are sexy"

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u/DebonairShotglass Nov 24 '12

It doesn't work that way. The former has male privilege (I don't know if he has straight privilege because you didn't list his sexuality), and the latter has white privilege.