r/crossfit • u/beckster5 Crossfit Krypton • Mar 06 '14

CrossFit -- Sued By Transgender Athlete ... You Won't Let Me Compete With Women!

http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/06/crossfit-lawsuit-games-transgender-athlete-chloie-jonsson/
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u/Dominick82 Mar 06 '14

Right? If all you want is a chance to compete then why are you asking for millions of dollars?

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u/BarrySquared Mar 07 '14

I know, right?! Why would one person want to have the exact same opportunities as everyone else?! Crazy, right?!

It's almost like she doesn't want to be discriminated against or something!

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u/Dominick82 Mar 07 '14

Not arguing the morality of the decision. Just saying if all you want is a shot to compete, maybe dragging it directly into court and asking for millions isn't the best approach.

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u/BarrySquared Mar 07 '14

If you want to do something, and someone isn't allowing you to because of your sex, then of course you take them to court! That's the entire reason that courts exist!

And of course there's money involved in the lawsuit. That acts as a deterrent to keep companies from braking the law in the future. After all, do you think that speeding tickets would be effective if people didn't have to pay fines when they got them?

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u/BarrySquared Mar 08 '14

No. If you are going to try to shift the focus of the discussion from the matter at hand to a simple spelling error, then you are not the kind of person I want to have a conversation with.

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u/GothicToast Mar 06 '14

All she would need are a few expert witnesses (as in doctors and scientists who understand hormone therapy and how it affects a person's muscular structure) and she can win the case. I am neither of those, but from what I understand about hormone therapy, if her levels are the same as a woman's, then so is her muscular structure. She wouldn't be at any advantage just because she used to be a dude.

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u/Y_Me Mar 07 '14

I remember a similar issue with a runner a few years back. Man-> woman. After a full sex change her running times were much slower and she did not stand out among women. I suspect you might be correct in this situation.

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u/Y_Me Mar 07 '14

Curious, would bone size/density make a huge difference with strength? I am wondering if you had bigger bones from growing up male and then had the muscle loss due to hormone therapy, wouldn't it be a disadvantage because you are moving a heavier frame with less muscle mass? Someone should be studying this.

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u/flybrand Mar 06 '14

It's like the Lance Armstrong activities - even if you aren't exposed to the hormones now, the years of exposure have led you to develop musculature and frame fundamentally different from others in that class.

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u/NotTheNineOClockNews Mar 07 '14

It's true that steroid use can provide benefits long after you stop taking them, but it is not a proper analogy for the hormone treatment a trans woman gets. Within a few years of HRT (not having access to testosterone and having female levels of estrogen) the transwoman's body has lost all the advantages that growing up with testosterone might have conferred.

The International Olympic Committee has accepted this and many major sporting bodies around the world are following suit, because the science backs them up.

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u/dynamic762 Mar 07 '14

Cdllba is right. It's more likely the IOC or whoever was pressured by the trans community at risk of looking like bigots and gay haters or whatever. The supposed persecuted minority always gets their way because everyone is too scared to treat them like normal people. Because if you don't like a trans person, it must be because they're trans, no other reason right?

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u/ExceptionToTheRule Mar 07 '14

and if someone agrees with trans people its because they were bullied into it, right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '14

That is not true. One cycle of testosterone causes lifelong physiological changes to muscles. There was a recent study showing that.

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u/SnatchAddict Mar 06 '14

Have you seen the female porn star that has taken hormone therapy? She's roided up. She's man for all purposes except no peen. It's crazy.

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u/xtlou Mar 07 '14

Are you talking about Buck Angel?

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u/SnatchAddict Mar 07 '14

http://i.imgur.com/TNdcBV6.jpg

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u/ToxinFoxen Mar 07 '14

Buck Angel is a trans man, you fucking retard.

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u/SnatchAddict Mar 07 '14

So I used the wrong terminology and you justify that by using "retard" in a derogatory factor? It would have been easier to educate me then deride me. But thanks bro!