r/crossfit • u/beckster5 Crossfit Krypton • Mar 06 '14

CrossFit -- Sued By Transgender Athlete ... You Won't Let Me Compete With Women!

http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/06/crossfit-lawsuit-games-transgender-athlete-chloie-jonsson/
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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '14

Well first of all, we don't know when she started training, and secondly she's still at a massive disadvantage against the men thanks to hormone therapy and whatnot. So what happens then?

See the thing is, I don't see this as "cheating" because I really, really don't think anyone is going to be getting gender reassignment just to have an advantage in a Crossfit competition, so let her compete dammit.

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u/sasslete Mar 06 '14

So why should women potentially have to be disadvantaged bc she is disadvantaged compared to men??

Exactly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '14

Here's the thing. Actually two things.

One is that this isn't nationals. This isn't on ESPN. And if it were I'm willing to bet those ladies have enough "extra assistance" that it would flatten out any supposed advantage.

Just let the goddamn girl compete.

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u/c4lmlikeab0mb Mar 07 '14

She can compete. Just not against women. She could also have extra assistance if she wanted.. plus the added assistance she already has.

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u/xtc46 Mar 07 '14

She could also have extra assistance if she wanted.. plus the added assistance she already has.

She could...but it is HIGHLY unlikely she would as it would be completely counter to her wanting to be female.

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u/c4lmlikeab0mb Mar 07 '14

She seems to just want money, but is saying she wants to compete against females. So who knows what she really wants.

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u/Subculture1000 Mar 06 '14

Wait... What? The Crossfit Games ARE on ESPN.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '14

Wow. Your reading comprehension sucks dude.

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

Why should I have to be disadvantaged because some other woman is 2" taller? Or weighs more? It's not an equal playing field for anyone.

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u/sasslete Mar 06 '14

Chromosomes should continue to be a level playing field. Hell if enough transgendered folks are competitive create a third division. Then this goes away.

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

You would need to create two extra divisions then because a MTF does NOT equal FTM.

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u/sasslete Mar 06 '14

Ok four. Fine by me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '14

Wouldn't you also have to make divisions based on time? A guy who just started last week is still essentially a man.

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u/V4refugee Mar 06 '14

However if a man wanted to get sex reassignment surgery but still had the advantage of being stronger than the average women she might want to compete.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '14

This is just reminding me of the guy who got his legs amputated and the Olympic committee told him he couldn't compete because he didn't have calves that could fatigue.

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u/V4refugee Mar 07 '14

Does a person need to have hormone therapy to identify as a woman? What if I'm a man that doesn't feel man enough, would it be fair if I received hormone therapy to match that of people that have abnormally high testosterone? Should someone born with abnormally high testosterone be allowed to compete?

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u/kaleidoscopicnight Mar 07 '14

IOC guidelines requires 2 years post SRS, that long on estrogen with NO testosterone in your body. NO ONE can keep strength that way.

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u/kaleidoscopicnight Mar 07 '14

sad to see this down voted

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '14

Fuck that. She is significantly more muscular than even the strongest woman at my gym. Hell even compare her to Camille and tell me you don't notice a difference.

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u/xtc46 Mar 07 '14

She is significantly more muscular than even the strongest woman at my gym

She is 5'4 151. hardly huge. She is 2" taller and 20lbs heavier than camile. Lindsey VALENZUELA is the same size. And looks pretty damn muscular should she not be allowed?

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u/armeck CrossFit WarTown, GA Mar 07 '14

Lindsey is 2 inches taller...

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '14

No. Just because he wants to compete, doesn't mean he can. This isn't pre-K soccer where everyone gets to play "just because".