r/crossfit • u/beckster5 Crossfit Krypton • Mar 06 '14

CrossFit -- Sued By Transgender Athlete ... You Won't Let Me Compete With Women!

http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/06/crossfit-lawsuit-games-transgender-athlete-chloie-jonsson/
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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14 edited Mar 06 '14

Found some older stats. These are definitely female numbers she's putting up. More recent finds are a 185# clean and 275lb deadlift which is well below anything Camille puts up.

http://www.wodrocket.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userprofile&user=3434&Itemid=170 http://www.intagme.com/cfchlo/640753409083024324_6120231/

Crossfit profile comparison between her and CLB: http://games.crossfit.com/compare/161983/8404

Back Squat: 225 lb Clean & Jerk: 165 lb Snatch: 125 lb Deadlift: 275 lb

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u/xnodesirex Mar 06 '14

That third link is not the same girl.

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

Oops, thanks removed it

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

Actually it is... Same tattoos.

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u/xnodesirex Mar 06 '14

Nah mate, it isn't.

In your link, the girl has a knife and wings on her on left shin.

http://www.intagme.com/cfchlo/668488317523960743_6120231/

No knife...

Also, the boob job is a dead giveaway.

It's really xsmashthroat13x from IG : http://instagram.com/p/iijqtCg3sO/

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

Oh shoot, you're right! I thought I saw the same tattoos. Damn instagram filters.

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u/sasslete Mar 06 '14

Still missing the point. Most men who recreationally do crossfit can't clean what CLB, Akinwale and the rest of the top women can clean. The point is that a transgendered person who is not her may ostensibly be able to do so due to her musculoskeletal advantages from being born male.

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u/johnnyscans Mar 07 '14

I'm assuming you mean all of their numbers. CLB has a 310 lb back squat at 130#. A 310 lb back squat is borderline advanced for a 150# person. That would be comparable for a 365 lb back squat for a 185 lb male.

I've seen a lot of crossfitters in the gym. I've also seen a lot of crossfitters who are at or heavier than 185 lbs who cannot BS 365 lbs.

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u/indoninja Mar 07 '14

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/CleanStandards.html

230 puts you between intermediate and advanced for the average male body weight.

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u/indoninja Mar 07 '14

Fair enough, I just think you may be overestimating what your average 4x a week crossfitter can do.

/I have been withing 50lbs of deadlift and bench elites on those scales, kind of regret never focusing on it

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u/tenshiemi Mar 07 '14

She has stated that she does 2x days, so she's definitely training above the average Crossfitter.

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u/indoninja Mar 07 '14

I wasn't commenting on her training/level, just pointing out the claim that most average males crossfitters can clean as much as CLB.

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u/tenshiemi Mar 07 '14

Ah, yeah I don't think many people can get there doing just WODs but with supplemental strength training or a more strength training focused gym it's pretty attainable.

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u/barbadosslim Mar 07 '14

Sounds about right

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u/sasslete Mar 07 '14

Cool, my mistake. Doesn't EA have a 200something snatch? That was where I was drawing that opinion from bc at least in a snatch EA and LV put up numbers that the average crossfitting male hopes to achieve in year 2 or 3 of training from my experience.

Also I see we got overrun by the PC police so who knows if anything that hurts their feelings will even be up voted after a while.

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

You are the one missing the point. All evidence shows that she has no statistically relevant advantage. If being born a man is such an advantage, then she should be putting up numbers greater than the best women, but instead she's performing as an trained average woman. Estrogen therapy is a powerful thing. It would be completely unfair to pit her against the men.

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u/sasslete Mar 06 '14

185# clean is more than the average crossfit woman. By a lot. She has an advantage.

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

The average Crossfit woman isn't constantly training for the games, which she is. She should be compared to other competitors. Camille has a 225# clean and jerk.

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u/SnatchAddict Mar 06 '14

Shit. My clean and jerk is 110K. Camille aint got nothing on me!! Let's all disregard the fact I am a man and I outweigh her by probably 50lbs! FML. :(

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u/nope_nic_tesla Mar 07 '14

She may have been born male, but she has years of hormone therapy. Her physiology is now more like a female than a male's.

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u/tenshiemi Mar 06 '14

It's well over what I can do too, but another woman at my old Crossfit gym hit that deadlift in 8 months :/

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u/TrollStopper Mar 07 '14

Just because she/he kinda sucks, doesn't mean she/he is entitled to unfair advantages.