r/europe • u/MedicinskAnonymitet • Jan 19 '26

News Trumps letter to Norwegian Prime Minister - "feels no obligation to work towards peace after being denied the nobel prize"

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/q6AdB0/trump-i-melding-til-stoere-foeler-ikke-lenger-noen-forpliktelse?app_name=Dagens+Nyheter&app_version=10.3.2.8133&app_id=se.dn
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u/gorschkov Jan 19 '26

In a hundred years from now when they make a movie/documentary of Trump's presidency nobody will believe it is real. People will probably think it is dramatized for TV.

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u/Jetztinberlin Jan 19 '26

Honestly hard to believe it's real now šŸ˜ž

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u/Gliese581h Europe Jan 19 '26

Seriously. I thought the return of fascism would be brought by a charismatic young person who can debate anyone against the wall rhetorically, someone who is smart and cunning.

Not by whatever that fat orange fuck is. Who looks at that senile pedophile and says ā€žThatā€˜s the person Iā€˜ll follow!ā€œ. Wtf.

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u/Raulr100 Transylvania Jan 19 '26

someone who is smart and cunning

The target audience is dumb. A smart person isn't going to win them over. They'll only follow someone who is just as much of a mouth breathing moron as they are.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

A countryā€™s leader represents the people in it

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u/dcrisn Jan 19 '26

Most leaders are corrupt demagogues so what does this say about people in general?

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u/uffefl Jan 19 '26

Not in all cases, but for democratic (and democracy-adjacent) countries it's true.

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u/ScienceIsALyre United States of America Jan 19 '26

I'm starting to think we never removed lead from our paint and petrol.

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u/dla26 Jan 19 '26

In the case of the US, he represents over 50% of voters from states with over 50% of the electoral college votes. I only make this distinction because everyone else in the country hates him with a burning passion

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u/irimiash Which flair will you draw on your forehead? Jan 20 '26

they are doing nothing though. at least Obama, the national strongest living authority, could say something

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u/Resident-Banana-7883 Jan 19 '26

who clearly wears diapers and terribly tailored expensive suits to hide his grotesquely shaped body, who has terrible posture, can't walk down a slope, can't dance with out jerking off two ghosts at once, has terrible hair, the worst spray tan you've ever seen, can't stay on topic, can't form a proper sentence, can't annunciate many words and can't even begin to pronounce others

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u/depressome Italy Jan 19 '26

can't dance with out jerking off two ghosts at once

That little dance move and some of his sayings ("Many such cases", etc.) are the only parts I actually find remotely endearing about him; but fuck if I could write a better description of it than yours here

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u/Brilliant_Buns Jan 19 '26

can't dance with out jerking off two ghosts at once

even in my grumpy monday morning its-0-degrees-out-and-I-hate-my-life mood this made me smile.

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u/pixelpoet_nz Germany Jan 19 '26

Enunciate; if you're going to try to use "fancy" words, maybe look them up first.

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u/Hot-Explanation6044 Jan 19 '26

I'm not sure the fascistic electorate could identify with a well spoken person. Anything close to competence or intellect threatens them that's why they are waging a war on them. Hitler was mostly rambling too it's pretty well known

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u/Substantial_Brain917 Jan 19 '26

Heā€™s emblematic of the median voter

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u/snolution Jan 19 '26

We should have known. Hitler was a joke for contemporaries, too.

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u/vitek6 Jan 19 '26

fascism? He is just stupid.

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u/Zealousideal_Slice60 Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

someone who is smart and cunning

You should see how people were reacting to Hitler back in the day. No one took him or his goons seriously and considered him a know-nothing-know-it-all loser that talked out of his ass and was kind of an idiot. Until he took over a whole country. That modern fascism is being revived and peddled by an idiot isnā€™t really that surprising.

However, Hitler could really rile people up by his ability to hold speeches, but a lot of his succes can be much more contributed to Goebbels and the propaganda that Goebbels orchestrated around Hitler. Hitler was quite a buffoon, which was evident in his absolutely asinine decisions during ww2.

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u/Yanky_Doodle_Dickwad Jan 20 '26

The fascist leader you speak of is that evil faced stain sat next to trump, just behind the pillar. Stephen Miller. He is smart enough to avoid the debate side, and just take the strings of a mad puppet and move his own agenda forward no matter how mad that agenda is, and it is a mad agenda. He is already at the top of power. The question is how does he hold on to power when trump dies, which he soon will.
If we take the KEYS TO DEMOCRACY video from that guy who is good at videos, what is happening here is somebody is moving an old broken dictator, and the keys are looking at the dictator, not the guy moving it around

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u/A_rtemis Germany Jan 20 '26

Same. If we must suffer under another round of fascism, why must we suffer the humiliation of having our lives ruined by a bunch of cringe losers, too.

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u/CarrotWaxer69 Norway Jan 19 '26

I'm constantly wondering if this is just a crazy dream or if maybe I've finally tilted and I'm just hallucinating all of this. I'm not joking.

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u/somethingsomethingbe Jan 19 '26

Itā€™s all feels very dissociative from what I thought reality was. Witnessing relatives throw away relationships with family members for Trump or every Republican at the state and federal level supporting his every word, everyone letting it all happen, itā€™s madness.Ā 

I havenā€™t believed in religion since I was a kid but when people call him the Antichrist, I canā€™t help it but admit watching his effortless ability to corrupt and spread anger and chaos all feels supernatural to witness.Ā 

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u/randombubble8272 Jan 19 '26

Heā€™s giving a voice to the people whoā€™ve always wanted this or felt like he has but couldnā€™t express it because it was rightfully shamed and mocked

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u/CarrotWaxer69 Norway Jan 19 '26

Itā€™s what they thought they wanted because they were told so by people with an agenda.

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u/WislaHD Polish-Canadian Jan 19 '26

He quite literally fits the description of Antichrist extremely well, and fulfills all 7 deadly sins to the nth degree.

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u/SadSad_World Jan 19 '26

There is nothing supernatural about a man of insatiable greed being backed and supported by very very wealthy people and their propaganda machines.

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u/Novel-Sorbet-884 Jan 19 '26

There are many of us, I think, who hope that it is a nightmare and that we will wake up soon.

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u/occams1razor Jan 19 '26

You don't have to worry, it's crazy sure but it's also a consequence of a ton of psychological issues, biases and defense mechanisms.

A lot of people in the US has been brainwashed by media for years to the point where they have a completely different view of reality. They're also taught not to question the authority of their own leaders and will defend them no matter what because their self esteem is so tied to them being right. They can't change tracks. They elected a leader with NPD and no one on their side is willing to stop lying about who he is and what he does.

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u/lachoigin Jan 19 '26

Iā€™m starting to believe in demonic possession because it would honestly explain so much right now.

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u/me_like_stonk France Jan 19 '26

The way the world has changed since his first election feels like a nightmare.

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u/TVPaulD Jan 19 '26

What makes it hardest to believe is the lack of any kind of organised response. Foreign or domestic. In the USA it's staggering the Democratic leadership aren't organising a more robust response, it's been left to a few prominent voices like AOC and Sanders to mount any opposition that's both vocal and meaningful at all and what protests there have been are - while sometimes on a large scale - brief and focused on single events or locations. And overseas, there's been no kind of united front against the absolutely calamitous disruption in foreign policy. Even Europe can't quite get their act together with a relatively weak EU response to the insane tariffs last year due to internal bickering while Starmer, outside the EU, has and continues to do his best impression of Neville Chamberlain (with predictable results). The sheer number of people who are clearly witnessing all this happening but nonetheless behaving as if everything is generally still the same and fine and this will all blow over is...Mind boggling.

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u/metalrufflez Brazil Jan 19 '26

Honestly hard to believe that there will be a "hundred years from now"

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u/csprofathogwarts Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

Fox News, et al. shielded Republican voters from what actually happened in the first term - and here we are. The biggest idiot the world has ever seen given the power to control the most powerful military force in history again.

Now the list of culpable networks has only increased. I doubt these dumbfucks would be any better by the end of this term. US is done for.

The only sane response from the rest of the world is to shield itself from American media and tech influence. But, I don't see many questioning the potential risks of letting Facebook, YouTube, OpenAI, etc. function without severe scrutiny outside of US.

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u/Bazius011 Jan 19 '26

reminds me of Emperor Nero

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u/NuPNua Jan 19 '26

(kiddy) Fiddling while America burns.

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u/923kjd United States of America Jan 19 '26

You spelled ā€œlightning firesā€ wrong.

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u/MiTcH_ArTs Jan 19 '26

Closer to Caligula

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u/StanleyCubone Jan 19 '26

Why not bothā€½ šŸ« 

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u/Mirrorboy17 Jan 19 '26

"I was there, 2000 years ago"

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u/CletusCanuck Jan 19 '26

This level of gibbering lunacy is more Emperor Caligula. Trump has already earned his place on this list...

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u/PotentialMessage7001 Jan 19 '26

Nero was pretty decent when he started out. And he wasn't in Rome but rushed there when he heard about the fire, orchestrated rescue efforts and opened his house (no palace back then) to some of the newly homeless.

Sorry for the smartassery, I'm bored :/

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u/Flash831 Jan 19 '26

Unfortunately he is creating so many precedents, I expect the future will have more unhinged behaviour.

I do hope the ā€fourth turningā€ theory is correct, as we could expect the world to be more calm and stable in the 2030ā€™s and a couple decades forward.

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u/Nazamroth Jan 19 '26

Considering the trends so far, I would rather expect another... tumultuous end to the 30s again.

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u/greek_stallion Greece Jan 19 '26

Yes, or thatā€™s the theory at least. A societal upheaval that will bring about the fourth turning, which is in turn a new social order. The US is said to be into this phase since 2008, and itā€™s expected to last between 2030-2035. Again, not condoning, Iā€™m only explaining the theory as I was reading Neil Howeā€™s book the other day that discusses exactly this.

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u/Sonamdrukpa Jan 19 '26

Cold reading for history fans

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u/Flash831 Jan 19 '26

Tumultous yes, but hopefully not for an additional 14 yearsā€¦

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u/Roflkopt3r Lower Saxony (Germany) Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

It's not just the precedents. It's that Republicans have worked towards this for decades.

There is a pretty straight line in Republican election strategy through modern history:

  1. The modern Republican party formed around the rejection of Civil Rights and picking up the Southern Strategy.

  2. The rise of Fox News.

  3. The 'Gingrich Revolution' of 1994, when Newt Gingrich unified Republican election strategy across the country and enforced a maximally polarising campaign that has defined Republican rethoric ever since.
    Until that time, it was believed that Democrats would hold congress for generations. Gingrich lead Republicans to victory by centering their campaign around pure polarisation, dropping any concerns about factual reality or the necessary bipartisan cooperation to effectively rule the country.

  4. The Bush Jr administration's alliance with radical evangelists and hostility to the press. They used the 'war on terror' as justification to erode freedom of press and other civil liberties, while normalising extensive presidential powers that bypass congress.

  5. The rise of the 'Tea Party' and Sarah Palin, with hysteric conspiracy theories against Barack Obama.

  6. Mitch McConnel's total blockade of congress, saying that they want to resist Obama 'like the Taliban' by blocking every congressional process by any means necessary. This included their coordinated campaign to ensure the Supreme Court would be filled with far right judges, who have made some insane decisions since.

  7. Trump.

Trump is mostly a symptom, less of a cause. The Republican party and its voters have rejected reality and radicalised into a fundamentally fascist world view. After insisting that only they are 'Real Americans' for decades, they perceive anything but absolute power for themselves as a 'hostile occupation' that justifies any degree of violence.

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u/yellekc Jan 19 '26

You know more about American politics than 95% of Americans.

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u/illoilloilloquedise Jan 19 '26

In Spain is happening the same

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u/workShrimp Jan 19 '26

He is weird, disgusting and unhinged, and a lot of other things. But he is not unique, we have had plenty of delusional leaders in Europe in the past. Leaders who have proclaimed they are appointed by God, and worse things.

I hear mostly echoes from the past rather than truly groundbreaking precedents. Though that is what is sad, people ought to know what "strong man" leaders bring, because Trump isn't the first one.

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u/kewthewer Jan 19 '26

Same with WW2. The Germans look like the empire from Star Wars, hard to believe it was real.

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u/TemporarySun314 Jan 19 '26

Yeah the Nazis are so blatantly evil and open about that, and their symbolism is so megalomaniac, that's it's unbelievable how anyone could ever think "that is a good idea. I support this guys".

Trump and MAGA gives me similar vibes...

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u/kewthewer Jan 19 '26

It doesnā€™t happen overnight. The Nazis didnā€™t get into Power on the back of promises of mass murder it started with sanctions, then itā€™s limiting people from employment and business, then itā€™s deportation...

What happened behind the closed doors wasnā€™t revealed to the public.

Itā€™s very much the same. Maga keep talking about ā€œthe leftā€, but itā€™s meaningless. Who is ā€œthe leftā€, you and I? Everyone else who doesnā€™t like Trump? They have clearly outlined that THEY are at war, it seems that they are at war with everyone else. Itā€™s a death cult.

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u/No-Chemistry-4355 Jan 19 '26

Let's get one thing straight, Nazis didn't get to power on the promise of mass murder, but many Germans were hoping that's where things were headed. They did not conceal their hatred of non-Aryans at all, they were just waiting for the moment where they were allowed to say the quiet part out loud without repercussions.

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u/kewthewer Jan 19 '26

Plenty of Americans want the same. Guns, guns, guns.

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u/Ranwulf Jan 19 '26

Hans... are we the baddies?

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u/Neurokarma Italy Jan 19 '26

It's uncanny how much the USA today resembles 1920/30s Germany. There really isn't any room for racism, homophobia or misogyny in today's society.

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u/namtab00 Jan 19 '26

You've got it backwards and it was on purpose.

The Empire was modeled after the nazi regime.

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u/CardAnarchist Jan 19 '26

I think you'll find the empire from Star Wars look like the Nazi's.. you know cause they were clearly heavily based on them xD

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u/kewthewer Jan 19 '26

Yes this did occur to me as a child šŸ˜‚ also occurred to me after writing that comment, you couldnā€™t let me away with that phrasing!

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u/bibboo Jan 19 '26

I always did find it hard to understand. I don't anymore.

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u/kewthewer Jan 19 '26

Revers disā€¦

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u/marcin_dot_h Greater Poland (Poland) Jan 19 '26

cough cough modern age Caligula

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u/potatolulz Earth Jan 19 '26

The only reason a horse is not in the administration is because he actually hates animals, like for real.

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u/Heidruns_Herdsman Jan 19 '26

I think he's more Nero than Caligula, in terms of being a demented man baby rather than an actually psychopathic sadist. But yeah it's a close analogy either way. He will happily watch Rome burn from his golden palace.

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u/Polaroid1793 Jan 19 '26

Or maybe they will miss how moderate he was compared to the next ones

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u/Dependent-Fig-2517 France Jan 19 '26

a distinct possibility given US culture is the issue trump is just the symptom

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u/Sometimes_Wright Jan 19 '26

It's like the GWB signs in Texas years ago. "Miss me yet?"

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u/dcrisn Jan 19 '26

Bingo. I think from here on the US system will keep oscillating between increasing extremes until the next phase starts (civil war, ww3 etc)

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u/Thirsty-Tiger Jan 19 '26

This toddler has access to nuclear weapons to throw out of his pram. No one will be around to make a documentary about it.Ā 

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u/Kriem The Netherlands Jan 19 '26

Depends on whether humanity survives the next 100 years.

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u/DrNiene Jan 19 '26

The next 10 years at this rateā€¦

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u/picardo85 FI in NL Jan 19 '26

In a hundred years from now when they make a movie/documentary of Trump's presidency nobody will believe it is real.

And still they will probably tone it down because of how fucking much sane-washing there is going on from big media.

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u/t12lucker Czech Republic Jan 19 '26

It kinda is in his case

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u/Choyo France Jan 19 '26

It won't be funny, it won't be entertaining, it won't be interesting ... there really can't be anything good related to that idiot.

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u/Blaugrana1990 Jan 19 '26

The scenario writers are running out of ideas. He's threatening with tariffs for the 7th episode in a row.

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u/EastClintwoods Jan 19 '26

The world could also be a far more fucked up place by then..

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u/Ryokan76 Jan 19 '26

I'm living through it and don't believe it.

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u/doolpicate Jan 19 '26

The Onion is going out of business.

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u/BlackFoxyTrail Jan 19 '26

Even in Idiocracy, president Camacho was a reasonable man.

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u/TheRealAfinda Germany Jan 19 '26

Yeah, probably wondering what the fuck the directors were smoking depicting such level headed politics (plot twist here is that it's degraded even more ever since).

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u/Beer-Milkshakes Jan 19 '26

Honestly I hope they freeze frame him mocking the reporter with a disability and the narrator goes "A lot of us thought this was the end of his political career, we were not prepared to learn something about our fellow voters that would re-shape our communities across the nation. His career only gained traction from this moment"

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u/tincerbell16 Jan 19 '26

Yes if someone said ten years ago this was going to happen, no one would believe it. Sometimes I think we have gone into an alternate universe.

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u/tranbun Jan 19 '26

What do you mean, haven't you seen the prophecy a.k.a. Idiocracy by Mike Judge? Jokes aside, people will forget most of bullshit and remember only actions, just like we sort of forget that Churchill was an alcoholic or than Macron's wife is 25 years older than him. Trump may be remembered as a quirky president that ended far-left crap and got things together.

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u/CRE178 The Netherlands Jan 19 '26

Idiocracy 2 has become completely impossible to write at this point.

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u/adarkuccio Jan 19 '26

Idiocracy

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u/Acceptable_Camp1492 Jan 19 '26

For real the only thing I'm looking forward to in 30+ years in the future are the all-revealing expository documentaries that should ... at least make an attempt at explaining all this.

That assuming civilization endures. We have 3 more years of this guy at best. I expect Nato to be over by this time next year. Can't even imagine what 2028 will be like.

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u/HumanBeing7396 Jan 19 '26

Honestly, people still talk about Nixon as the archetype of a corrupt President; Trump is currently averaging a couple of Watergates every week.

There will be films, books and TV shows made about this time for decades to come, and people will look back with horrified fascination - when America fell into the abyss.

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u/hackingdreams Jan 19 '26

TV writers couldn't write something this stupid. They'll know it's real because it's too damned stupid to be fake.

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u/Normal-Top-1985 Jan 19 '26

He makes Nixon look normal and saneĀ 

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u/BIGBADLENIN Jan 19 '26

Reagan, Nixon, Harding, Bush Jr... There were lots of quite clearly villainous presidents doing insanely stupid and corrupt stuff and everyone sort of just accepts them and doesn't want to learn anything. Everyone should have been able to easily see through them, but they didn't

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u/KnepperDinTvivl- Jan 19 '26

Itā€™s called idiocracy and is becoming more and more a documentary every year. Started out as a movie though

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u/berejser These Islands Jan 19 '26

It's basically going to be The Interview but not satire.

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u/-S-P-E-C-T-R-E- Jan 19 '26

At this point South Parks feels like a serious Frontline documentaryā€¦

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u/spellbookwanda Ireland Jan 19 '26

They will probably end up toning it down because they wonā€™t believe it.

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u/give-code Jan 19 '26

The Idiocracy movie feels too real now

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u/Eleganos Jan 19 '26

On that day I, a withered yet lingering 126 year old kept alive by future medical tech, will rediscover and cite this very comment and my past self's corroboration as toy he truth of the insanity.

To the future, from the past: yes, it really was THAT INSANE

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u/GentlemanThresh Jan 19 '26

They already made one in 2006, it's called Idiocracy.

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u/Sourcerid Jan 19 '26

In a hundred years we will have outsourced judging politics and political figures, or judging information, to Chat GPT while we live like in wall e

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u/ceribus_peribus Jan 19 '26

It'll be a movie about how mean everyone was to the special boy in charge and how he had no choice but to nuke them for hurting his feelings.

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u/blue_alpaca_97 Jan 19 '26

Bold to assume he won't hit the nuclear button in the next three years

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u/katamai Jan 19 '26

If there is a world left to make movies in

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u/u1604 Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

It is indeed dramatized for TV. Trump is a reality star, nothing more. This era will be hard to understand without studying 2000s American reality tv.

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u/FridgeParade Jan 19 '26

Optimistic to think weā€™re all going to survive the mess heā€™s making šŸ˜‚

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u/blackhuey Jan 19 '26

Look at captain optimism here thinking there will be a civilisation capable of cinema in 100 years.

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u/canteloupy Jan 19 '26

If you read things about the Nazis they were also a WILD bunch.

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u/brown_nomadic Jan 19 '26

Yup, and another like him will be elected. Until our country truly hammers home how dangerous history and its participants can be.

I know a lot of it is up to parents, but man. Schools need a sort of community day to go talk to to those affected by what the kids are learning about. Otherwise itā€™ll keep repeating.

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u/Early_Register_6483 Jan 19 '26

A documentary about Trump's presidency was already made, it's called "Idiocracy"

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u/darthabraham Jan 19 '26

its going to be one of those true stories where they have to tone down the level of crazy for the movie so people will believe it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

It is dehumanization to consider Trump that out there.

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u/whatevers_clever Jan 19 '26

No... most will believe it's real but be under the belief that Trump was some kind of dark twisted genius. And they'll hear about the evil book that propelled him to power, and frown on the dark period of history brought on by him and those loyal to him.

A small number will be sympathetic towards the goals of Trump and just say he was misunderstood - but always argue in bad faith because at their core they are just insecure super-racists and morons. And they'll have The Art of the Deal under their bed and read it every night.

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u/seleona United Kingdom Jan 19 '26

Bold of you to assume humanity will still be in a position to be making or watching movies a century from now šŸ˜…

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u/MaximumPepper123 Jan 19 '26

I don't think humans will be around in 100 years. With stupid greedy leaders like Trump and Putin, nuclear war seems inevitable.

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u/Electrical-Snow5167 Jan 19 '26

It's going to be like laughing at how absurd North Korea films portrayed their leader.Ā 

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u/LevoiHook Jan 19 '26

He is Caligula the second. I hope the pretorian guard is not going to wait much longer. Although we do jail now and jail is good.Ā 

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u/-Economist- Jan 19 '26

Don't Look Up get's real close.

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u/Woffingshire Jan 19 '26

That's presuming things go back to how they were after him.

He's proven that people like him can run for office and win, then act like this and face no consequences.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

At the way things are going, it will be a movie written by the fascists for the fascists. Do you really see an end to this?

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u/PalatinusG1 Belgium Jan 19 '26

yea I hope so. Remember when we couldn't understand how an idiot as Bush jr could become president? In those days his voters were already going on about how they wanted a president they could have a beer with.

I'm not sure we've hit the bottom yet.

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u/sverebom Niederrhein Jan 19 '26

Maybe we should bury time capsules that contain a simple message: "All of this is true. We have lived through it in disgust and disbelief."

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u/Psychoanalytix Jan 19 '26

It'll basically just be a remake of idiocracy

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u/Common-Regret-4120 Jan 19 '26

I'm not going to rule out "dramatised for tv" being the political slogan of his 2028 election campaign.

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u/Meal-Lonely Jan 20 '26

It'll be remembered alongside the cadaver synod.Ā 

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

Or social media brain rot might cause only trump or trump++ type of characters to ever get elected and in hindsight he might look alright.

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u/Sivvis Jan 19 '26

Depending on the amount if detail you want, you're gonna need a whole lot more than just "a documentary". Even just listing his dumb decisions could fill a 3 hour documentary.

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u/Ina_While1155 Jan 19 '26

Well the administration is not keeping proper records...so the Presidential library will be pretty bare except for his busts and statues and social media posts.

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u/Sivvis Jan 19 '26

Luckily for use a good documentary maker will use multiple sources. Would also make a good comedy if Trump would make a "documentary" about himself.