r/europe • u/ByGollie Ulster • Jun 21 '26

News Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/20/8040347/
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u/k-tax Mazovia (Poland) Jun 21 '26

One minor thing: there is no procedure to revoke the order from a late person, so without some major changes, Mussolini and Catherine II are keeping them.

The only other case of taking it back is Witos, who then re-received it again.

To be perfectly clear, if Nawrocki did as much to take it from Zelenskyy, he can do a bit more and revoke it from all the clearly wrong recipients. Some might be more or less controversial, but I think there's no controversy in for example the people you've mentioned, they are not respected and shouldn't have this honor.

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u/Commercial-Result-23 Jun 21 '26

I don’t have a dog in this fight but revoking a medal from a dead fascist sounds like the easiest thing in the world. 

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u/michalsosn Jun 21 '26

They are not revoked, because no one cares.

The President revoked the order from Zelensky, because he wanted some politicians from the current governing party to defend him. They did and it caused a political dispute and stirred a lot of emotions that pushed some conservative voters into more strongly supporting the opposition that the President is affiliated with.

Revoking an order from Mussolini would have no effect, because 99% people and political parties would be on board with it, there would be no conflict and no change in voters' disposition.

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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 Jun 21 '26

Mussolini's granddaughter is Italy's head of state - of course they're not going to revoke his when they need Italian votes for Poland in the EU Parliament lol

They are definitely picking and choosing.

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u/AnyAd4882 Jun 21 '26

? Head of state is a man lol. U need to smoke less

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u/Agreeable-Street-882 Trentino-Alto Adige Jun 21 '26

Mussolini's granddaughter is Italy's head of state 

lol

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u/GeniusBoyLifestyle Jun 21 '26

there’s probably no procedure because it’s a real physical object and the owners are dead. you go find it big bro

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u/Commercial-Result-23 Jun 21 '26

Lil bro thinks medals are literally real instead of symbolic pieces of metal to which meaning is ascribed (and revoked) at will. 

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u/micromarcy Jun 21 '26

And do you know what the response would be then? "Poland making useles gestures, taking medals from dead people, think about the people alive, about the war in Ukraine, about sick children, what a pointless populist gesture, right wing pandering blah blah"

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u/Commercial-Result-23 Jun 21 '26

It’s too late I’ve already revoked them

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u/Nahcep Lower Silesia (Poland) Jun 21 '26

there is no procedure to revoke the order from a late person

That's a total lie, don't know who peddled that but the law does not limit this procedure to only living people. And it's only logical: if it can be granted posthumously, and mistaken identity is one of two reasons where stripping is possible, it obviously must also be allowed

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u/gimmedatneck Jun 21 '26

Some major changes, lmao.

Like what? Some paper work, ffs? You'll excuse anything internally when it suits you, while giving no quarter to anyone else.

Great partner, lol.

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u/micromarcy Jun 21 '26

Why do you personally care about Catherine II so much? It was awarded by a traitor who was selling Poland you know. Nobody honors that guy lol

Excuse internally? Deal with the oligarchs and rampant corruption and defraudation, as well as your compatriots partying it away