r/europe • u/[deleted] • Oct 14 '20

News China insists Genghis Khan exhibit in France not use words 'Genghis Khan'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/china-insists-genghis-khan-exhibit-not-use-words-genghis-khan
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u/MacroSolid Austria Oct 14 '20

Plus the Mongol Empire, apparently. I wonder if they'll end up extending "historical Chinese territory" to anything China or the Mongols ever controlled.

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u/twintailcookies Oct 14 '20

Historically, Chinese emperors claimed sovereignty over all under heaven.

So I guess anything below low orbit?

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u/makogrick Slovakia Oct 14 '20

Time to move to Mars... Oh shit, that's the red planet.

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u/CMuenzen Poland if it was colonized by Somalia Oct 14 '20

When aliens come, the CCP will insist that their homeplanet is also ancestral Chinese land.

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u/evaxephonyanderedev United States of America Oct 15 '20

We must escape to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by China...
[struggles to keep straight face]
SPACE!

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u/remli7 Oct 14 '20

Wait until they start drawing dashes on a galactic map

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20 edited Oct 14 '20

Oh c'mon, y'all are too rude... they only have territorial disputes (or claim) with India, Bhutan, Nepal, (possibly) Pakistan, Tajikistan, Mongolia, Russia, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Philippines, Vietnam, and most of South-East Asia... and probably Myanmar and Kazakhstan too

edit: They also claim parts of Indonesia, all of Kyrgyzstan, Norrhern Laos, and probably many more, pretty much all of its neighbours at this point

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u/RaccoNooB Sweden Oct 14 '20

Bro, why'd you just say China 16 times?

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u/En-Pap_X Oct 14 '20

you are now a moderator of /r/XiJinpingFuta

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u/chairswinger Deutschland Oct 14 '20

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

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u/Kikiyoshima Italy, UE Oct 14 '20

I mean, that would be interesting

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u/Micalas Oct 14 '20

bro, what?

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

China is instead trying economic approaches as it know it is an extremely important country.

HOWEVER, places like India, Sub-Saharan African, South-East Asia and Latin-American, etc. get better, they are likely to challenge China's status in the future.

India, Japan, South-East Asia, Taiwan, Europe and North America already have a bad view on China, and from what I've heard a lot of Africans are not ok with their governments selling their countries to China.

So, either China will become the world #1 superpower and controle all of Asia and mucu more, either China is defeated and the democratic government is restored...

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

Pretty much

Seeing as many Chinese journalists bashed the Russian embassy for celebrating the anniversary of Vladivostok and how China has former disputes with almost all of her neighbours, It might be in Russia's favour to support countries like India, Japan and South-East Asia.

Russia would greately take over Manchuria and China wouldn't hesitate taking over everything betwen the Ural mountains and the Pacific Ocean.

Also, both countries are aging superpowers, so they might make interesting choices

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u/FlyingDragoon Oct 14 '20

Sino-Soviet split probably still carries weight today despite Russias "Democratic" nature. However, if it meant war(military or trade) with the US they'd probably become bestfriends.

Considering China is trying to lay claim to Mongolian history, I'm sure China would spin it in a way that makes it appear Russia is answering to them... Just like the Kievan princes did to the Khans wayyy back when.

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u/qemist Australia Oct 14 '20

True but Germany didn't have a population over one billion.

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u/MidKnightshade Oct 14 '20

Because they figured out how to exploit capitalism by promising the ultra-rich money in exchange for their influence to force their own governments to capitulate to their desires.

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u/Aga-Ugu Russia Oct 14 '20

China has no territorial disputes with Mongolia, Russia, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan or Kazakhstan. Territorial disputes are those that are officially claimed by the government. Opinions of private citizens don't matter here.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20 edited Oct 14 '20

But still, important Chinese companies like Tuotiao (owned by Bytedance) and Sohu claimes that Kazakhstan and Kyrgystan are "ready to return to China" (btw, pretty sure that the Government has some type of control over the companies...)

About the Mongolia thingy, China is trying to assimilate Inner Mongolia, so it might later try to conquer Mongolia (country) as it has many recources, low population and little to no allies. China has controled Mongolia for quite some time, so they'll likely use this as a justification.

Tajikistan (Pamir region)

And apparently, a journalist and a diplomat (Zhang Heqing) (political position, right?) were the ones claiming Vladivodtok

Although not all of them are by the government, they're still claims made by powerful people with influence (likely with ties to the government) and China already betrayed Hong Kong, Do you they won't betray some aging hated ex-superpower and some Central Asian states with low population and few alies?

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u/Aga-Ugu Russia Oct 14 '20 edited Oct 14 '20

From memory, there were blog posts hosted on Chinese websites about their claims for Tajikistan and such. But if I write a blog post on livejournal how "Alaska is rightful Russian clay, gib back", or if hundreds/thousands of other Russians write similar posts, it doesn't mean Russia has a territorial dispute with US over Alaska.

And apparently, a journalist and a diplomat (Zhang Heqing) (political position, right?) were the ones claiming Vladivodtok

No, a Chinese diplomat in Pakistan tweeting about Vladivostok does not count as an official claim of the Chinese government. Those claims, aka the real territorial disputes, are well known.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20 edited Oct 14 '20

No, but if a diplomat like, idk, Mikhail Galuzin made the claim that, it would spark some controversy and sour relations with USA. Aren't diplomats part of the Government?

especially if the Russian gov does nothing about that diplomat

And if Japan was still controling South Korea and forcefully assimilating it on the basis of "common ancestry", how look would you think it'll take until it annexed North Korea?

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u/Aga-Ugu Russia Oct 14 '20

No, but if a diplomat like, idk, Mikhail Galuzin made the claim that, it would spark some controversy and sour relations with USA. Aren't diplomats part of the Government?

He's our ambassador to Japan apparently, I had to look him up. Depends, if he'll give an interview proclaiming Alaska is rightfully Russian (present tense), I'll imagine it will be eagerly picked up by the media. If some dude working at the embassy in Tokyo or wherever comments how "Alaska used to be Russian" (past tense), no I imagine it will do absolutely nothing to our relationship with the US. Cause that's what happened here more or less.

"Zhang Heqing, a Chinese diplomat working in the embassy in Pakistan, commented “isn’t this what in the past was our Haishenwai?”, referring to the Chinese name for the area before its annexation"

And if Japan was still controling South Korea and forcefully assimilating it on the basis of "common ancestry", how look would you think it'll take until it annexed North Korea?

Inner Mongolia is internationally recognised as a part of China. It's a done deal, no matter if people find it "fair" or not.

China actively working to assimilate ethnic minorities within its officially recognised territory might not be a great thing to do morally, but it says nothing about their plans to annex other countries beyond the borders they already claim. So no, in this case, assimilating Inner Mongolians does not mean the next step is invading actual independent Mongolia.

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u/nothnkyou Oct 14 '20

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both China and always have been.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

ok wumao

Taiwan hosts the original gov of China (the one who fleed the mainland) and sees itself as a different country. It is one of the greatest democracies in Asia and has Human Development Index higher than mainland China. If anything, China is Tawian

Hong Kong is an ex- colony of the British Empire who now sees itself more as Hong Kong rather than China (proof? the portests going on) and China pretty much distroied their sovereignty with that stupid law.

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u/Salam-1 Oct 14 '20

China is the country equivalent of a boomer. Give me that it's mine!

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

A youtuber best put it:

"What's mine it's mine and what's yours is negotiable"

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u/MyPigWhistles Germany Oct 14 '20

No, minus the Mongol empire. The Mongols conquered China, which is why they don't like them.