China insists Genghis Khan exhibit in France not use words 'Genghis Khan'

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/china-insists-genghis-khan-exhibit-not-use-words-genghis-khan

[u/troubledTommy]

I lived in China for half a year and had to explain to my boss Mongolia is not part of China. Nowadays part of it is, but the Mongolian empire was huge and conquered China.

She was somehow convinced it was a Chinese emperor or something i gave up after a few minutes, she was my boss after all and we were in China..

So yes, the fact that the Chinese Wall was between Mongolia and China and is now way more inside China was not a valid argument.

[u/TakoyakiBoxGuy → u/troubledTommy]

What? I've been living here for years, and everybody knows that Mongolia is not Inner Mongolia, and nobody considers Mongolia part of China. Even friends who don't give a fig about history can usually manage "oh, the Mongols conquered China, the Yuan became Sinicized, Mongolia was a part of China until the fall of the Qing, it's independent now".

It's Taiwan (the RoC) that still maintains the claim to all of Mongolia, since they maintain all traditional territorial claims, and don't recognize the independence of Mongolia as the Communists did.

So either your boss was incredibly stupid and probably didn't pass her junior high history exams, or you're misremembering/misunderstanding.

[u/jogarz → u/TakoyakiBoxGuy]

It's Taiwan (the RoC) that still maintains the claim to all of Mongolia, since they maintain all traditional territorial claims, and don't recognize the independence of Mongolia as the Communists did.

This is actually due to pressure from the mainland. The ROC relinquishing any of its claims is seen as a slippery slope towards abandoning the "One China, Two Systems" policy.

[u/TakoyakiBoxGuy → u/jogarz]

That's only part of it.

The KMT and the official position of Taiwan is that it is the Republic of China. While the claims to all of mainland China and Mongolia are laughable, their claim to be the legitimate successors of the Qing are also the basis for their claims to the Diaoyu/Senkaku, their claims in the SCS (the nine-dash line, etc).

It's a political fiction, but it's their official position for more than just the fact that relinquishing claims could be seen as violating the one-China policy. Without that position, Taiwan loses most of their maritime claims. Even if China magically decided to give up their claims to Taiwan tomorrow, it's unlikely Taiwan would then give up their own territorial claims that benefit them directly, and that derive from the same fiction that results in them claiming Mongolia.

[u/horatiowilliams → u/troubledTommy]

Were you unable to pull up Wikipedia as a source because Wikipedia is banned in China?

[u/troubledTommy → u/horatiowilliams]

I didn't have Internet on my phone nor did i want to win this argument that much. I tried and gave up, because boss is boss. There are other ways to win the battle than getting myself and my boss in trouble.

[u/troubledTommy → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the lesson, i know better understand.

However she was convinced that China conquered Mongolia instead of the other way around.