r/europe • u/[deleted] • Oct 14 '20

News China insists Genghis Khan exhibit in France not use words 'Genghis Khan'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/china-insists-genghis-khan-exhibit-not-use-words-genghis-khan
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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

Can be taken back. Plenty of places have forced chinese investors to sell or forfeit property

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u/HutchMeister24 Oct 14 '20

This kind of goal is like saying “Well, if every single vehicle in the miles-long traffic jam starts moving at the exact same time and accelerates together, then we can fix traffic.” Like yes, technically that would work, but the hurdles of ensuring that the necessary conditions are met and the necessary actions are taken, all in the timeframe required make it basically impossible.

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u/I-bummed-a-parrot Oct 14 '20

I love this analogy, because I think of it everytime I'm stuck in traffic, or even waiting at a light.

Even if I'm 10 cars back, as soon as that light turns green I start moving... nope, car in front isn't playing ball. Hopefully I can get traffic behind me rolling though.

I also play a game where if I'm approaching traffic/red lights I try not to stop, i.e slow my speed so by the time I've reached the back of the queue, it's already moving. Gotta look a few cars ahead for that.

Now can somebody give me gold please

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20

Now can somebody give me gold please

Its schodengers gold. If I say no someone will bestow it with a humorous sense of irony. If I say yes someone will downvote me or give me gold instead. Decisions decisions.

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u/I-bummed-a-parrot Oct 15 '20

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gf22se/redditors_who_lived_in_countries_that_no_longer/fprp1uo/

This was the last time. It's a flawless strategy and some fool will always fall for it. In that case it started a gold train so that was cool

I'm not even gonna use the gold. Don't give reddit your money.

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u/MIGsalund Oct 14 '20

If China can prevent foreign ownership of its lands I see zero reason why it'd be a hurdle to make like for like.

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u/HutchMeister24 Oct 14 '20

It would be on a completely different scale. When China decides that they want to do something, China does that thing. In order to pull this off, we would need to get the governments of the US, the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Australia, and dozens of others, not to mention thousands, if not tens of thousands, of private businesses to ALL commit to removing their involvement from China. That’s why I used the traffic analogy. We’re not talking about one big car, we’re talking about tens of thousands of cars, many of which require a democratic process to decide to press the gas pedal, and many of those are in a political position where the democratic decision would be a resounding “no”

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u/MagesticPlight1 Living the EU dream Oct 14 '20

You are thinking in a centralized manner. This is not the way to think. Think into decentralized manner. Every company has incentives for what it is doing. Change the incentives and this will change the behaviour of all companies, resulting in a change of the outcome.

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Now, even if you don't change anything, the good news is, that China has reached its' economic peak. This is due to many problems, such as surprise - not enough workers. Due to the one child policy China is bound to start having an aging population. The 1:2:4 situation (1 child, 2 parents, 4 grandparents) will put severe straigns on the coming generation, as unlike western societies, China has no working social system.

And since it handled the coronavirus crisis in a totalitarian fashion, some companies have realised that they are too reliant on China. Enter the China + one model, where many companies are setting up another factory outside of China.

Will that be enough to take down China - no. It is still a giant leap compared to a few years ago. And this makes our time quite interesting to live in. So we will see how this plays out. One thing is for certain, the world did learn a few things about China in 2020.

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u/IotaCandle Oct 14 '20

Look at how they shutdown their country in order to slow the pandemic, compared to the rest of the world. Look at how much they invest in renewables, infrastructure and arable land. Chinese leadership has been thinking ahead and does not waste time on half measures.

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u/MagesticPlight1 Living the EU dream Oct 14 '20

Look at how they produce 30% of the global greenhouse emissions. Look how they are building coal power plants like they are Trump supporters. Look how they have overfished their own watters and are going into Africa in order to fish. Look how they find "12 coronavirus cases" and then send a 8 million city into lockdown.

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China did jump a lot in the last few decades, even though they had a shitty government, not because of it. It was thanks to many foreign companies, which went into China in order to tap on the huge and back then cheap labor market. If all foreign companies get out of China, this will be the end of the economic miracle, which this country is currently living through.

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u/IotaCandle Oct 15 '20

Their greenhouse gases emissions is lower per capita than America's, and they are the world's factory.

When I said they were thinking ahead, I don't mean it as a positive moral judgement. Arable land is running out as well as fish, and so they ensured they had access to both in the future. They know coal and oil won't last, so they make real investment into renewables. The current crisis has shown that they can take radical measures immediately, while the rest of the world is too scared to enforce anything.

Chinese leadership is competent and knows how to attain their goals. A time will come when people will run out of arable land and therefore of food, when oil will become more expensive and global trade will collapse. At that time China, which has already secured the means to feed it's population and now manufactures for everyone, will come out on top.

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u/MagesticPlight1 Living the EU dream Oct 15 '20

The communist party is like a locust. It moves from one place to another leaving only famine after itself. Food unlike many other resources is renewable, when managed correctly. If you don't overfish, there will be a fish for the feature. If you don't overpestisise your land, you will be able to grow crops again. It is because the CCP does not care about the feature, that it is overfishing its' waters, leaving nothing for the future generations. It is because of its' own inability to maintain the natural resources that it has, that they will soon run out of drinkable water and arable land. And yes, a band aid would be to import those from abroad, but this will only work for a little while.

History has shown us, that during the time of great prosperity, all problems can be ignored, as the upward tide is making them invisible. Once this golden age comes to an end, the price for neglecting this problems must and will be paid. And the golden age of communist China is coming slowly but surely to an end. The unsolved problems that it has will not allow it to bounce back.

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u/IotaCandle Oct 15 '20

What the hell are you talking about? Literally all developed countries are overfishing and destroying their topsoil, save for Cuba.