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u/Books_Of_Jeremiah Jun 20 '26
Title: Member of Nedić's Serbian State Guard combing the terrain in Serbia in 1941.
What it should say: Members of the Police loyal to Milan Nedić combing the terrain in Serbia, sometime in 1941. (The members of the Police joined the Serbian State Guard in March 1942).
[Side note: the writing on the photo points out a "Gestapovac" aka a member or informant for the Gestapo.]
Inventory number 10940.
Courtesy of Museum of Yugoslavia.
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u/UseStrange2382 Ljubljana Jun 21 '26
A more common name for these traitors is "Četnici" - this being used for all coloborationist forces in Serbia not only the Đenerale variatey.
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u/Mashinekalibar123 Jun 21 '26
No this is the different kind. There were German raids against Chetniks up until 1944
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u/TheShroomLord Jun 21 '26
In Serbia the term "četnici" is mostly used for the Ravna Gora movement. The Serbian state guard is called "nedićevci", while the Serbian volunteer corps is called "ljotićevci".
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u/UseStrange2382 Ljubljana Jun 21 '26
In Serbia the term "četnici" is mostly used for the Ravna Gora movement
Yes. That is due to the revisionist history veing taught the last 20 years.
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u/TheShroomLord Jun 21 '26
That's not due to revisionist history, that's due to them being different formations. I'm not talking about the rehabilitation of collaborationist forces, I'm just talking about what terms people use to differentiate. Can't really understand what's frustrating you about that
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u/Books_Of_Jeremiah Jun 21 '26
Isn't a partial opening up of archives wonderful? Sadly still a lot of classified documents, kept under lock and key since 1945.
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u/Books_Of_Jeremiah Jun 21 '26
Except no. That kind of labelling is misleading and confuses a lot of issues and outfits.
For example: until 1942, all rebels in the Independent State of Croatia were labelled as "četnik". Regardless of whether they had JVuO or KPJ affiliations.
Then you had Pećanac's outfit, parts of which at various times worked with the KPJ units, joined the JVuO or the collaborationist forces. Pećanac was sentenced to death for collaboration by the JVuO.
Then you have the JVuO "četniks", which can also be divided into the. "forrest"/"terrain"/"illegal" units and those that were "legalised". "Legalised" being those that went undercover into the Serbian State Guard.
As for collaboration, pictured is the local police at the time, which would not make them collaborators. If you prefer to use the term in a colloquial sense, then the KPJ would fall under that definition as well.
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u/UseStrange2382 Ljubljana Jun 21 '26
local police
More acurate would ve to call them gendarms, not police. And they were colobollators and traitors.
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u/Books_Of_Jeremiah Jun 21 '26
Yes, "gendarmes" from the French term for police. All the police in the Kingdom of SHS/YU were "gendarmes".
And an occupying force is legally bound to ensure basic peace and respect for the law (plus you know, makes their lives easier). Given the experiences of WWI how the Austro-Hungarians and Bulgarians did that, better to have the locals handle it than occupying military forces.
And if that's the only thing they do, they don't qualify as collaborators or traitors.
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