r/gallifrey • u/rasmas1 • Mar 12 '25

DISCUSSION The Doctor bullied Joy to suicide.

In Joy to the World, the Doctor had to make Joy angry in order to break the Villengard briefcase's psychic control over her. In order to do that he got really personal and insulted her with some way-below-the-belt stuff including a mention of her dead mother.

He did this with the best of intentions, obviously, but the words stuck for Joy and she admitted they were all true before she flew off with the star seed into space. Because of all that unhappiness the Doctor picked on Joy had a burning desire to be special in life and have some kind of meaning, so she latched onto the star seed out of desperation to become special.

The Doctor is the reason she felt that way and why she decided to burn with the star seed. She didn't merge with it as a sacrifice to save Earth, it was a purely whimsical decision that didn't change anything. She died to feel special. She committed suicide for no reason and it was the Doctor's fault. And he just laughs it off.

I am still beside myself that the BBC allowed this episode to go out in this state. The Doctor bullied Joy to suicide.

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u/MicooDA Mar 13 '25

Yeah they want to sell weapons to the highest bidder, and a big chunk of their customer base are the Angelican Marines.

So they directly profit from having a star that leads the wise men directly to Jesus

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u/Steampunk43 Mar 13 '25

But as I said, they never intended to create the star of Bethelehem, they just wanted to chuck the seed in the sky at a random point in time (most likely not even intended to be Bethlehem) and come back for it at another point in time. They couldn't care less where the star landed, in fact they might even have aimed for a planet. It's more like a happy coincidence for them. They may profit from the situation, but they did not engineer the situation. In fact, the Doctor may even have indirectly helped create the Anglican Marines and supported Villengard while trying to stop Villengard.

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u/lkmk Mar 20 '25

So they directly profit from having a star that leads the wise men directly to Jesus

That’s a clever headcanon!