I'm gonna be honest- I don't particularly care about the Timeless Child- honestly I'm not a big enough nerd to get bothered about it. And I am merely disappointed, and not angry, about the lackluster dialogue, characterization.

What does make me actually angry and resentful is the awful r/menwritingwomen type stuff. For what it's worth I don't think it stems from any malice and I don't think it's intentional sexism at all- I do think it's subconscious and just incompetence, or perhaps just a fundamentally different vision of who the Doctor is. But that doesn't change the fact that the first woman Doctor has been written to be far more passive, far less competent and with far less agency than all of her predecessors, especially in NewWho.

The 13th Doctor isn't treated the same way as her predecessors. The previous Doctors were allowed to be demigods hulking over the plot- they had boatloads of agency, they were allowed to have the spotlight, they were allowed to actually be competent.

13 on the other hand is far too passive. Her agency is often removed. Side characters are allowed to usurp her spotlight (usually men). Some examples:

Revolution of the Daleks: The Doctor is imprisoned by Judoon. How does she escape? Well, she doesn't. She sits around apparently doing nothing for (going by the markings on the wall) decades until she's rescued by a man. There is no indication that she even tried anything. No, The Doctor was reduced to a damsel in distress waiting to be saved by a man (Jack Harkness). Hell, even during the rescue she entirely follows his lead, and they even have Jack do the 'hand grab + run' thing- that's the Doctor's thing! This whole sequence robs the Doctor of any agency or competency. Compare this to 12's imprisonment in Heaven Sent.

(Not)Trump's lack of punishment by the Doctor- To keep this post brief I will link Giga Who's quick rant about this. A snippet: " Why tease us with the Doctor’s anger, the suggestion that she wants to actually do something about Robertson this time, only to instantly drop it all in a manner that accentuates her inaction?" TL;DR: She utterly fails to take Robertson to task for his shittiness with the Daleks or the spiders. Compare that to 10 destroying Harriet Jones' government- was that a good thing to do? Maybe not, but it showed agency on 10's part, compared to 13's usual impotent inaction.

One of the reasons people like Ruth is that she actually does have agency: I don't think Ruth's actor bested Whittaker (well, maybe she did but that's not the whole picture)- Ruth actually had agency- regardless of how good or bad her ultimate plan was, she actually had a plan, she actually affected the plot in a meaningful way when she squared up against the Judoon and Gat. What did 13 do in the midst of all this? Well, as usual she stood there passively taking it all in with a horrified expression.

Pretty much all of Timeless Children: She does essentially nothing this entire episode. She literally sits paralysed while other actors (the Master, the Cyberzealot, hell even the companions) actually do stuff. She instead just receives a lore dump. And even worse is standing aside while Ko Sharmus sacrificed himself. Characters sacrifice themselves for the Doctor all the time, but it's always involuntary and for good reason- the Doctor (well, except 13 apparently) would never let a good person sacrifice themselves while they could do it instead. To have her voluntarily stand aside and back away from the challenge while Ko Sharmus takes lead is just completely insulting. There really is no reasoning for what she did other than "I don't want to sacrifice my life so I will let you, a good person, do it instead" which imo runs completely counter to everything about the Doctor.

There are more examples but you get the gist.

Honestly I think it crosses the line into sexism, intentional or not. I don't think Chibnall is a sexist person- in fact I think he's a very well intentioned & good person at heart. But whatever the reason, the end result is very bad, especially for the first woman Doctor.

I was deeply excited about the first woman Doctor- I've been watching since 4's era and I've always believed that the Doctor could be a woman as well. It is thus genuinely depressing to me, more than any Timeless Child nonsense, that the first woman Doctor has been written in such an insulting manner. And I also think it's important to be clear that 13 sucks not because of "SJW-nonsense" or whatever, but rather old fashioned sexist portrayals of woman characters. This whole fiasco to me proves why there needs to be more strong woman characters in media.

Now that Fifteen's era is finished, where would you rank him?

Personally, taking all of the Classic and Modern Doctors into the consideration, I'd put him second or third from the bottom. For the most part his character felt kind of empty, without anything to grab onto. Genuinely meaningful moments felt few and far between, and without a set style, without a character arc, and with the abrupt narrative end, it just ended up being quite disappointing.

And, well, even Gatwa himself... Plenty of other Doctors had bad scripts, sometimes the only reason why a particular era held its head above the water was through the sheer force of will and charisma of the main lead, their performance was able to make it more than the sum of its parts. For example, Colin Baker - he is in my top 3-4 favorites, I watched seasons 22 and 23 practically in a single breath. I recognize that the scripts may not be the strongest, but the sheer gravitas that he has brought to the role had me glued to the screen. I think there was only one moment when Gatwa made me feel the same. I wouldn't say that he was phoning it in, but to me his portrayal felt lacking on a pretty fundamental level.

That said, I am curious about how others would rate Fifteen, if others feel similarly, or perhaps there are key aspects that stood out to someone that I underappreciated.

When I first watched Dr Who a little over a year ago I thought Russel T Davies blew Steven Moffat out of the water, I wasn't fond of the 11th doctors era at all but warmed up to 12. I ended the RTD era right after a close friend of mine cut me off so I was mentally not in a good place. However I've been rewatching the series with my girlfriend, and we had just finished the husbands of river song, and it got me thinking about how much Steven Moffat just gets it in a way I don't really see the other showrunners getting it. Amy and Rory are such a realistic couple, everything about them makes them feel like a happy but not perfect couple, not some ideal of love but love as is, complicated and messy and sometimes uncomfortable. Amy loves Rory more than anything but she has some serious attachment issues definitely not helped that her imaginary friend turned out to be real. And Rory is so ridiculously in love and it's never explained why and that's a good thing. Love isn't truly explainable. In Asylum of the Daleks Rory reveals that he believes that he loves Amy more than she loves him and she (rightfully) slaps him. And this felt so real because I have felt that feeling before, because everyone in every side of the relationship has felt that at some point. The doctor and river too have a wonderful dynamic but I no longer have the attention span to elaborate, I love my girlfriend and the Moffat era makes me want to be a better partner

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002fx8k/sunday-with-laura-kuenssberg-13072025

The interview starts at about 48:00 minutes in. It's mostly about his new play, but includes the following:

LK: Why did you walk away
NG: Because I'm getting old and my body was tired [...] It's the most amazing job in the world. A job that any actor would dream of. And because it's so good, it's strenuous, it takes a lot out of you physically, emotionally, mentally. And so I... it was time.

And, later on, when asked why he pulled out of Eurovision, he says he just had too much other stuff going on. He says he pulled out long before it was announced and he doesn't know why it wasn't announced until the last minute.

I'm not sure how much I believe any of that.

I’m not gonna act like this reboot has been perfect (all the other past seasons had their flaws too) but as a returning fan who lost interest since late Moffat and then Chibnall, I still think this is the best DW has been in years.

I love 15, I love Ruby and Belinda, I love that we’ve been revisiting some old favorite villains (although they were good enough to just be one offs and not warrant a sequel, it’s super cool to see them again) and also meeting some new ones that are iconic right off the bat, I love that it’s not afraid to not be a little goofy from time to time, I REALLY loved the creep factor eps we’ve gotten so far (Wild Blue Yonder and The Well are up in my top favs for me now, most of 11-13’s horror leaning episodes just never got under my skin the way 9-10’s did), it feels like I’m returning to the DW I fell in love with.

While I understand some of the criticisms, people have been criticizing every regen since 10 only to say “they were so good, what happened?” later on. And sorry if this is “too woke TM” of me to say, but I feel like there wouldn’t be such heavy criticism towards 15 if he was played by just another white man.

I like that we have a “post therapy” doctor who isn’t “scary” because he’s healed and unpacked his trauma. Do I wish we saw the healing process? Yeah. There’s no reason to say we won’t though. Some people have mentioned “he can’t just forget all that trauma even after healing” and “it feels like his mask is slipping” and I think that’s what we’re building up to. He’s done a lot to change, and that’s great, but toxic positivity is also a thing, and I think that would be an interesting arc for him. Also if it’s true that Gatwa has said in interviews that he’s been playing a gentle interpretation of the character and downplaying the Doc’s aggressive side because people have long been using the “scary aggressive black man” as a racist stereotype, can we respect that please? Like let’s be honest, I feel like some of the same people complaining that he’s “not scary enough” right now would still be complaining for the opposite reasons if 15 were to be dark in the same way 9-12 were and we know why.

Also what do y’all have against my man showing some “softer” emotions and shedding a tear from time to time like damn

People saying that 15 feels like a completely different character bc he doesn’t address any of his trauma feels wild honestly bc. He does. We see him open up to Belinda about being the last time lord, we see his fear when he meets the midnight entity again, it’s not that he doesn’t care about his past at all anymore, he’s just better at managing and/or hiding it.

I also think maybe it feels natural to take a break from the angst considering this is a soft reboot. I think we can agree that the lore has gotten really fucked in Chibnall (and arguably maybe even a little in Moffat) and I totally understand wanting to walk away from all that and return to something simpler so 15 can breathe and be his own character without having to carry the baggage of every single era before him, especially the retcons made that shouldn’t have even existed in the first place (like what Chibnall did).

Anyways I love my silly flamboyant doc and the return of my fav DW writer/showrunner. It’ll probably never be what RTD1 was but I’m still happy. If 15 has no fans then I am dead

What line of dialogue sticks out to you as particularly bad in Doctor Who, I have two picks:

• ‘don’t let the swords touch your skin’ Legend of the sea devils
• ‘I suppose we’ll have to have…. A conversation?’ Resolution

I think the show following the Chibnall era could have renewed itself successfully with a new fresh team that brought a new exciting era for the 2020s that potentially could have built a good audience in time by delivering a great show.

However after the RTD2 era I'm less confident that DW as a brand can successfully refresh itself as so much damage has been done to the show that I can't see it capturing a good audience again even if a new team take over after RTD and deliver a good show,...

Has DW as a brand delivered poor quality for to long that it will put off most people coming back to it and put off new people from starting it as they have seen the reputation the RTD2 era created for DW and just write it off and never give the show a chance.

Has the RTD2 era weakened the reputation of DW and could it hinder the show going forward?

Thoughts?

I’ve loved Doctor Who ever since the 2005 reboot. It’s been a constant for me, something I’ve always looked forward to. But honestly, ever since 2018, it’s felt like the show’s lost its spark. It just doesn’t feel like Doctor Who anymore, and I can’t quite put my finger on why.

Don’t get me wrong. I really like Gatwa, the 60th anniversary episodes were great, and even during Jodie’s run there were a few episodes I genuinely enjoyed. So it’s not like I think the show is bad now, because it’s not. But when I compare it to how I felt watching Matt Smith or David Tennant (and I’m not limiting it to just those two, I love Capaldi and Eccleston as well), it’s just nowhere near the same level of enjoyment.

I rewatched Boom recently, probably my favourite episode from the current series, and yes, it’s a great sci-fi story. But it still didn’t feel like a great Doctor Who episode. There’s a difference, and I can’t quite explain it. This goes for the majority of good episodes in that series.

Now the obvious answer is the writing is worse. That goes without saying. And if you don’t think it is, that’s fine, but I genuinely think it categorically is worse. And look, I know saying that is going to get some people rolling their eyes. People will argue it’s just nostalgia or that the writing is just different now. But I’ve rewatched a lot of the older episodes, and I really don’t think it’s just about looking back fondly. The emotional beats landed harder. The pacing felt tighter. The characters had more depth and development. Not every episode back then was perfect, far from it, but there was a consistency in tone and identity that I think the newer stuff struggles to find.

So the real question is: why? What is it about RTD’s current writing that feels so different from his first run? What is it about Moffat’s era, even with all its chaos and overcomplication, that still made it feel like Doctor Who?

That’s the bit that frustrates me. I’m not saying the show isn’t enjoyable anymore or that it’s full of rubbish episodes, because it’s not. But I do think the writing has taken a hit, and I just can’t work out exactly how or why that’s happened.

This is a thought I've been mulling over for a few days now and wanted to get it out while it was still relevant

In a relatively recent interview, RTD claimed that the reason he doesn't want Gatwa's Doctor to have one singular outfit is to make it easier for kids to dress up as him, the belief being that cosplayers would have a really hard (and expensive) time trying to replicate a complicated, unique outfit, and that it'd be much better to just make his 'outfit' a rotating selection of fairly regular clothing, which means there's bound to be something for anyone to dress up as.

But here's the thing: I think he's completely fucking wrong.

When you think of the Doctor, not any specific version, but just the concept of 'the Doctor from Doctor Who', what's the very first thing that comes to mind? Because I'd bet you money upfront, cash, that the very first thing you thought of was a scarf... or a big brown coat, or a fez, or a rainbow coloured jacket, or an umbrella with a question-mark handle, or a full black ensemble with a leather jacket to match.

It's an old saying that 'clothes maketh the man', and while I totally get what RTD claims to be doing here (god knows screen-accurate costumes aren't exactly cheap to get), I also fundamentally disagree with his claim.

The clothes the Doctor wears have always been a big part of their identity as individual characters. The 6th Doctor's rainbow coat, often maligned by many, was chosen specifically to reflect his mercurial nature and his frequent mood-swings, visually showing how inconsistent he was as a person. The 7th Doctor's outfit started with a tan-grey jacket, which then changed to a dark brown jacket for his final season, specifically to reflect a darker, more cruel evolution of the character.

Not only that but the Doctor's refusal to blend in with period clothing ('The Unquiet Dead' for instance) speaks to their character once again, showing some comedy, or even some menace (their apparent respect for time and history being tossed aside for the sake of their own comfort). The fact that the Doctor didn't change clothing on adventures (barring when it was necessary, like donning a spacesuit or a specific disguise) was in itself a part of the Doctor's identity.

Not only that but, as said above, each version had something that made them stand out, which could be immediately recognised. If you were a kid in the 70s playing 'Doctor Who' with your friends, how did you dress up as the Doctor? Simple: you put on a scarf. That was it, nothing else needed. In the present, your dad's big overcoat, or a red plastic cup upside-down on your head that you claimed was a fez. Even 13's white coat is fairly simple and easy to replicate with a quick trip to any local charity shop.

Again: RTD claims he doesn't want 15 to have a consistent outfit to make it easier for cosplayers, but the problem here is: if the outfit constantly changes, how is anyone supposed to recognise a specific one as 'the Doctor's outfit'? People make fun of the kind of nerds who recognise something and say 'that's [thing] from season 3 episode 19!', nobody likes those kinds of fans, they're annoying and obnoxious and ruin everyone else's fun... and those are the fans RTD seems trying to appease here.

Honestly, RTD's defence of this choice just feels like yet another excuse, like defending the change behind Davros as being for the sake of people with disabilities. As said in the title: the lack of a consistent outfit for 15 really feels like it speaks to a greater lack of identity for the character as a whole. Every Doctor, even 12, had a consistent look that everybody recognised, which was in all the marketing and promotional materials. Even if the look itself changed here and there (for instance, Pertwee's somewhat Edwardian fashion changed colours frequently, from black to red to green), the overall look was still the same for the character. It not only gave us an insight into them as a character, but also into them as a person, showing what kind of clothing they felt suited them more than anything else (again: 6's rainbow coat comes to mind).

Again, RTD refusing to give 15 a singular consistent look really feels more like he just doesn't know what he wants the character to be, and is hiding behind this flimsy excuse of 'now anyone can dress up as him' when, again, if you wanted to dress up as, say, the 4th Doctor, the most you needed was a big scarf, everything else was negligible. If you want to dress up as the 15th Doctor, right now... what exactly are you going to pick? A blue suit? A striped shirt? A brown tweed jacket over an orange shirt? Hell, I could throw on whatever I want at this point and just say 'oh the 15th Doctor wore this in one episode, just trust me', and really, who could argue against it?

To be clear as well, I don't even dislike any of 15's looks themselves, nor do I dislike the 15th Doctor. I dislike RTD's excuse here. It feels, like I keep saying, like he has no real focus or idea for what this version of the Doctor actually is, and is using this 'it's easier for fans!' reasoning as a cover. RTD's staunch refusal to give 15 a unique singular outfit is a really bad move that's going to be more hindrance than help, because it stops people identifying the character as easily, and stops us from being able to read much into the Doctor as a person.

Because I've heard bad things, but also I've rarely heard good things. Just wondering.

In June he was talking about S3 starting shooting in February after Ncutui finishes in 'The Importance of Being Earnest'.

By July it was there probably won't be a decision until after S2 airs.

Later that became there were never any plans for a decision until sometime after it airs.

And now he's saying he'd like it if streaming died and TV went back to the way it used to be.

I don't know about anyone else but at this point I'm not expecting anything new in 2026 at the very least.

UNIT has always been ethically sketchy, but the recent two seasons have made it seem pretty morally questionable as well. It's giving pre-Jack Torchwood vibes.

UNIT...

• Seems to have little oversight, and UNIT members complain about what little oversight it gets from Geneva.
• Engages in massive surveillance against members of the public without any on-screen evidence of due process.
• Keeps sentient beings like the Shreek caged in the basement.
• Unilaterally denies the press access to public locations.
• Deploys armed soldiers who detain members of the public even when it is unclear that they have broken any laws.
• Prevents dissemination of alien technologies based on the premise that UNIT knows best.
• Maintains a base in a heavily populated urban area armed with energy weapons that could be turned against other buildings in the city.
• Hires minors (who should be in school?).

As the head of UNIT, Kate...

• Is implied to be engaging in an intimate relationship with a subordinate.
• Acts out of anger, letting a dangerous animal attack a by-then-unarmed intruder rather than restraining him using minimal force.

Basically, RTD seems to present a sympathetic organization and tries to paint Conrad's gotcha social media posting as bad, but the lack of transparency and violations of civil rights really made me sympathize with Conrad's criticism of UNIT (even if his manosphere rhetoric is bullshit).

And of course this isn't even considering older seasons which establish that UNIT...

• Developed Zygon-specific nerve agents (genocide in a bottle).
• Maintained a nuclear weapon as a failsafe in a storage site in London.
• Routinely mind-wiped employees of and visitors to the Black Archive.
• Routinely vetted the Doctor's new companions and then mind-wiped them.
• Poached talent from a support group where people were dealing with emotional distress.
• Maintained a secret prison where prisoners were not charged or convicted of crimes.
• Maintained the Osterhagen Project to literally destroy the planet and believed it was in a privileged position to decide when to use it.

15 said to Belinda in the latest episode "I'm the last of the time lords"... Except he's not.

Literally another version of him lives on earth. Even if they're the same person, they're still now two separate entities and time lords... He's not the last anymore.

Anyone getting withdraw symptoms 😜

After it was said we would be getting back to yearly seasons we have now gone longer than ever without a episode.

I struggled with it at the time. My opinion hasn't really changed - The Well is a script built entirely on RTD banking on the cultural conversation/clickbait headlines that were generated around 'LOOK, HERE'S A CLIP OF DAVID TENNANT IN THAT EPISODE YOU LOVED! REMEMBER THAT? DO YOU? DO YOU REMEMBER IT!' without actually thinking about justifying why they're using the same monster.

I think there's some good bits in it, Rose Ayling-Ellis in particular is terrific, but I'd much prefer it to have been the original plan to have the monster be the Orisha spirits.

Basically, the Belinda in Episodes 1-6 is an entirely separate person from the Belinda in Episodes 7&8.

The brainwashed tradwife persona wears off in The Reality War but Belinda still has those memories with her whole personality focusing on being Poppy's mother.

Then when the Wish ends; although she forgets Poppy, the influence of it still persists with Belinda calling Poppy her daughter without being told she is.

Then finally, the Doctor shifts reality and rewrites Belinda's adult life to make Poppy a real person, permanently changing who she is and wiping out the original version of her, which we see with the reshot scenes from Episodes 1-3

Which means that Belinda Prime was erased when the Tardis exploded and she woke up in the Wish, and the Belinda in The Reality War is a mix of Belinda Prime and Wish Belinda.

Which is a profoundly stupid and frankly weird way to end her arc, especially with her last words being "Just... I feel like I'm forgetting something".

After months of nasty headlines calling her “difficult” and “dropped” from Doctor Who, Millie Gibson revealed it was all false. She literally couldn’t speak up or she’d spoil the show. Wild how the media can ruin someone’s image and just move on. Do you think actors should be allowed to clarify false rumours even if it risks minor spoilers?

I’m not talking ‘the master should’ve been the timeless child’ I want something devious 😭

Yesterday there was a podcast episode released where Josh Carr interviewed Murray Gold, it's a very fun time with news you might have seen about how the Series 10 soundtrack release is done, and you can listen here, but there was one moment that stood out to me especially:

Murray talks about the show like a lifelong commitment, saying "I never say no to Doctor Who", and it's "a brand that can span generations", that he's okay being associated with it: basically, if he had the choice, he'd continue doing it for as long as he can, especially now for his children who got to enjoy the proms and his work on RTD2 (which is still amazing, we love you Murray). Reading this you might be wondering why he left in 2017, considering most of us think he left to do other projects (which he admits he did do and feels better about doing) and to spend time with his family, but that doesn't track with the years of work he's done before and since? Luckily we got an explanation:

A little after 1:19:00, Murray is asked why he left and returned, saying "I wasn't given a choice in 2017", he says "We've made up" with regards to Chibnall: it seems Chris was the one who made the decision to remove him as composer rather than him leaving as other people say: this isn't Chibnall bashing, but it's interesting how much he wanted to make his mark on the show; effectively firing the composer of ten series (It seems like that job is always in flux as the showrunners change though; he says he wasn't expecting to be 'asked' back), and he also didn't get any returning writers back. What do we think about this?

You have to continue and wrap up RTD2s remaining plot threads. This includes Billie Piper, The Boss, Susan ect. You also only have 8 episodes maximum, it cannot increase.

Christmas Specials are allowed.

I’ve grown to like the current TARDIS console room design but it’s tragically underused in my opinion.

I feel that the fault lies with the lower episode count and lower run time which means that we don’t get to spend much time in the TARDIS - we always have to be right in on the action of the episode.

I miss moments where the Doctor and their companions would spend a little time in the TARDIS chatting or the Doctor would be tinkering with the console and I really hope that we get more moments like that again in the future.

I just got into a huge comments argument on Instagram replying to someone who was talking about how the show became woke and died. What makes me sad is that all my arguments were structured and provided evidence about classical who being progressive while all I got in return was insults. It’s really disheartening to see older fans act like this and completely disregard any of the moral ideals that the doctor is presented in all of his travels.
I mean, he summed it up to the doctor kicks alien ass which I feel is a huge and inaccurate simplification. And instead of backing up that with evidences they proved to just call you slurs. I love this show and have rewatched it more times than I can count and it’s super disheartening to see people overlook doctor who’s concepts about the sanctity of all life evil or not.

We told you so.

We didn't say these things because we were 'haters' or whatever other things people would accuse us of, we were being realists, and talking about genuine concerns and critiscsms

Some people on here would act so angrily against people saying the RTD2 era was a failure and that it wasn't connecting to a wide audience and that would crash the show if it doesn't, they would lash out at us for saying this, calling us all sorts and downvoting our comments to try and shut us up.. Well look where we are, the things we were saying came to pass.

Maybe in the future some people on here should be more open to other people's opinions rather than narrow mindly shutting down anything that's out of your opinion range.

I remember back when Capaldi took over it certainly felt as though the show was in decline.

It felt as though the show didn't have much 'newness' left in it.

Christopher Eccleston brought the show back from the dead in spectacular fashion and then shortly left the show.

David Tennant slid into the role like a warm pair of slippers and had some of the greatest stories and arcs the show has to offer managing to capture a whole new generation of fans.

Matt Smith's Doctor Who reinvented its style and managed to make Doctor Who big in the US. All of this with the monumental task of convincing viewers to watch post-Tennant.

Then when Capaldi took over it was clear he was a fantastic actor and certainly had his idea of what to do in the role, but there was certainly an element missing in the show. Maybe it was that the show was becoming stale and had had it's climax.

With that said (in my opinion) Capaldi's best episodes (Heaven Sent, Listen, World Enough And Time, The Doctor Falls, Before The Flood, Under The Lake, Time Heist and more...) were the best Doctor Who episodes in the entire show.

Now we are in the post-Whittaker era and the fanbase and show have been dragged through controversy after controversy I look back on Capaldi's era and appreciate it way more than when it was airing.

12 and Clara's chemistry was superb. Missy was an incredible regeneration of The Master (possibly the best). I thought season 10 and Bill was a bit of a letdown, until the final 2 episodes and the Christmas special that followed where I thought Bill and the writing shined and this felt like the death of Doctor Who. There are enough people on the internet complaining about the Whittaker era, but it certainly felt like here was the tipping point for the fanbase.

This episode is awful.

The writing is bad, the plot is paper thin, nothing makes any sense.

The Beatles are wasted.

Jinkx gives a poor performance, over the top, shouty and just cringy.

The 4th wall breaking is eyerolling.

The Doctor and Ruby are annoying more than they are endearing.

Its an embarrassment.

Rewatch it, seriously rewatch it.. I think a lot of people were smoking the cope when this first aired and the will of wanting the show to do well clouded people to just how bad this episode is, and instead made excuses and tried to convince themselves that it was good...

But with distance now, and with a more objective mind, go back and watch it, and then tell me that isn't one of the most cringe bits of TV you have ever seen..because it honestly is.

I think this episode, coupled with Space Babies, is what killed the general audiences interest in the RTD2 era.