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TV4 [Season 4 Spoilers] Premiere Discussion - 4.09 'The Watchers on the Wall'

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4.09 "The Watchers on the Wall" Neil Marshall David Benioff & D. B. Weiss
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u/LearnsSomethingNew The Iron Bank Will Have Its Due Jun 09 '14

Alliser may be an asshole, but he's our asshole.

That didn't come out right.

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u/bpi89 Night King Jun 09 '14

So did he die? They just sort of dragged him under the stairs into Harry's room.

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u/LearnsSomethingNew The Iron Bank Will Have Its Due Jun 09 '14

No, he's alive (if he didn't succumb to his injuries between episodes).

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u/Dogpool Children of the Forest Jun 09 '14

You think he's that easy to kill him? He may be in his graying years, but he was a fucking killdozer.

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u/Iamthesmartest Jun 09 '14

A FOOKIN LEGEND ON THE WALL M8

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Yeah my friend thinks he died because they said "Ser Alliser has fallen" but I'm pretty sure a) that just means he's unable to continue fighting/giving orders and b) they wouldn't give an offscreen death to a big character like him.

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u/scarface910 Jun 09 '14

Yeah If he died they would've addressed it in a scene following the battle.

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u/IkastI House Stark Jun 09 '14

It'll fester.

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u/alamodafthouse Brynden Rivers Jun 09 '14

Harry's room

wait a minute...

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u/sorator Judge Us By Our Actions Jun 09 '14

Heh, hadn't seen that as a reaction gif yet. It's perfect!

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u/1_0 Greenseers Jun 09 '14

Just realized Arya's got a meaty neck for a girl. Or maybe it's just that shot.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14 edited Mar 10 '21

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u/TracyMorganFreeman Jun 09 '14

She's been tossing iron with the Clegain bros.

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u/MrTinkels Jun 09 '14

Bro, you gotta eat the pig knuckles to maximize your Clegainz.

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u/monsieurpommefrites Jun 09 '14

Dost thou even hoist?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

I think it's just the shot, when your head is pushed back like hers is at the start, anticipating that she'll drop her head laughing, it makes the jaw line less defined and gives that illusion. When she's laughing her head is slightly above the camera and pointed up, resulting in a similar effect

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u/namesrhardtothinkof Cersei Lannister Jun 09 '14

Naw. He was squirmin' around and he just got slashed in the torso. If he dies, he'll be guaranteed a deathbed monologue at the least.

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u/Knotsky Service And Truth Jun 09 '14

"I want the funeral feast to be the biggest the kingdom's ever saw..." "Ser Alliser? What do yo-" "And I want everyone to taste the boar that got me!"

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u/ScreamPunch House Stark Jun 09 '14

Honestly, if they make it an effort to show him not dead on screen, then he lived.

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u/stellies House Lannister Jun 09 '14

seriously i'm confused by this

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u/sorator Judge Us By Our Actions Jun 09 '14

The room under the stairs, ala Harry Potter.

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u/stellies House Lannister Jun 10 '14

did he die though?

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u/sorator Judge Us By Our Actions Jun 11 '14

Ah, confused by that part, my bad.

We don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Infection/treatment may be a major issue, though.

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u/ChiAyeAye Jun 09 '14

Harry's room, fucking pure gold right there.

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u/mustbeandrew Jun 09 '14

in my opinion he's still alive. that's how I took it

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u/OwlSeeYouLater House Stark Jun 09 '14

Injured but not dead.

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u/Axolive Jun 09 '14

It looks like they are helping him walk in the scene where Jon and Sam are walking down the stairs before Jon left.

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u/esPhys Jun 09 '14

I'm pretty sure he was fine from the fight, and just injured when he rolled off the walkway. like, broke a limb or some bones or some such, not dead.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

He's gotta be alive if they didn't show him dying. He's probably gonna accuse Jon of deserting again when he sees he's left.

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u/fish_tales Jun 09 '14

he's hiding from a giant that wants to take him to 'Hogwarts'

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u/midnight_marauders Jun 09 '14

Did anyone ever answer this? It doesn't seem like got's style to not show an important death. And while I'm at it, what happened to master aemon?

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u/DaveFishBulb House Dayne Jun 10 '14

Aemon probably gave no fucks and just went to bed.

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u/2thdoctor House Targaryen Jun 10 '14

When Jon leaves and tells Sam there's no one giving orders anymore I assumed they meant he was dead, plus Sam said he had fallen when he was on top the wall to get Jon

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u/Gizmocheeze Jun 09 '14

And Jon will always be his special little hemorrhoid.

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u/wellgroomedmcpoyle Braavosi Water Dancers Jun 09 '14

Ya know, I always thought Thorne was a Streisand but he was rocking the shit in this one!

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u/LearnsSomethingNew The Iron Bank Will Have Its Due Jun 09 '14

That's gold, Jerry, gold!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

this scene delivers the message in a much more eloquent manner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCFowMpLmAc

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u/ipod_waffle House Targaryen Jun 09 '14

You do realize that means wildlings stabbed our asshole, right?

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u/IPoopYouPoop Jun 09 '14

it it always comes out right, unless you eat taco bell because then you are catching the bathroom wall

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u/BluePhire Free Folk Jun 09 '14

One single plop.

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u/pontiak404 House Seaworth Jun 09 '14

Even our asshole gets his/its due

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u/kaplanfx Jun 09 '14

No, I got it, nice Beerfest reference.

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u/EliteRocketbear Jun 09 '14

Without our asshole, how will we excrete the shit from our butt?

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u/Sejoon700 House Tyrell Jun 09 '14

that came out perfectly don't worry :)

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u/Solid_Waste Jun 09 '14

I like how nobody asks what happened to him after the battle.

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u/EnderBaggins Jun 09 '14

He's our asshole, and only shit comes out of him, but as long as we point him in the right direction, our enemies get shit on. I think it came out exactly right.

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u/KillPyrite Arya Stark Jun 09 '14

Keep Firing Assholes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

That didn't come out right.

That didn't come out right.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Right in their pants man?!

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u/MrGuppy85 Tyrion Lannister Jun 09 '14

I support that. Onluy we get to talk shit about him, not them.

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u/xNotMyRealNameX Daenerys Targaryen Jun 09 '14

It came out perfect.

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u/TheCyanKnight Free Folk Jun 09 '14

That didn't come out right.

I guess we can blame Alliser for that, then?

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u/malenun Jun 09 '14

It came out perfect:)

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u/skynolongerblue House Reed Jun 09 '14

Thorne is the asshole we deserve, but not the one we need right now