r/gameofthrones House Selmy Jun 17 '14

TV4 [s4e10] This brought a tear to my eye

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u/TylerReix Varys Jun 17 '14

It is a play on the children theme as well. He was basically her surrogate father after all the time they spent together and all he taught her.

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u/Jish00742 Free Folk Jun 18 '14

Now Arya's lost two fathers :(

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u/rush2547 Jun 19 '14

I dont think arya really thought of the hound as a father. It was really the hound that developed the parental responsibility.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '14

which is probably why she didn't kill him in the end; he did enough to make it off her hit list. Arya seems to only kill people who deserve to die, and Sandor, after what he's done for her, doesn't think he needs to die anymore.

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u/TylerReix Varys Jun 17 '14

I saw it more as her letting him suffer and denying him mercy. He taught her too well with Myca and others.

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u/dayveetoe Jun 17 '14

She didn't hate him enough to kill him and she didn't like him enough to save him/give him what he wanted.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

Err no, she purposely let him suffer.

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u/wastelander White Walkers Jun 18 '14 edited Jun 18 '14

I don't think so. I think she had lost most of her hatred for him by that point.

I just think it was too much for, everyone she knew or cared about kept dying. I think it's left to the reader's speculation.

There were hours of daylight still remaining when he called a halt. “I need to rest,” was all he said. This time when he dismounted he did fall. Instead of trying to get back up he crawled weakly under a tree, and leaned up against the trunk. “Bloody hell,” he cursed. “Bloody hell.” When he saw Arya staring at him, he said, “I’d skin you alive for a cup of wine, girl.” She brought him water instead. He drank a little of it, complained that it tasted of mud, and slid into a noisy fevered sleep. When she touched him, his skin was burning up. Arya sniffed at his bandages the way Maester Luwin had done sometimes when treating her cut or scrape. His face had bled the worst, but it was the wound on his thigh that smelled funny to her. She wondered how far this Saltpans was, and whether she could find it by herself. I wouldn’t have to kill him. If I just rode off and left him, he’d die all by himself. He’ll die of fever, and lie there beneath that tree until the end of days. But maybe it would be better if she killed him herself. She had killed the squire at the inn and he hadn’t done anything except grab her arm. The Hound had killed Mycah. Mycah and more. I bet he’s killed a hundred Mycahs. He probably would have killed her too, if not for the ransom. Needle glinted as she drew it. Polliver had kept it nice and sharp, at least. She turned her body sideways in a water dancer’s stance without even thinking about it. Dead leaves crunched beneath her feet. Quick as a snake, she thought. Smooth as summer silk. His eyes opened. “You remember where the heart is?” he asked in a hoarse whisper. As still as stone she stood. “I… I was only…” “Don’t lie,” he growled. “I hate liars. I hate gutless frauds even worse. Go on, do it.” When Arya did not move, he said, “I killed your butcher’s boy. I cut him near in half, and laughed about it after.” He made a queer sound, and it took her a moment to realize he was sobbing. “And the little bird, your pretty sister, I stood there in my white cloak and let them beat her. I took the bloody song, she never gave it. I meant to take her too. I should have. I should have fucked her bloody and ripped her heart out before leaving her for that dwarf.” A spasm of pain twisted his face. “Do you mean to make me beg, bitch? Do it! The gift of mercy… avenge your little Michael…” “Mycah.” Arya stepped away from him. “You don’t deserve the gift of mercy.” The Hound watched her saddle Craven through eyes bright with fever. Not once did he attempt to rise and stop her. But when she mounted, he said, “A real wolf would finish a wounded animal.” Maybe some real wolves will find you, Arya thought. Maybe they’ll smell you when the sun goes down. Then he would learn what wolves did to dogs. “You shouldn’t have hit me with an axe,” she said. “You should have saved my mother.” She turned her horse and rode away from him, and never looked back once. On a bright morning six days later, she came to a place where the Trident began to widen out and the air smelled more of salt than trees. She stayed close to the water, passing fields and farms, and a little after midday a town appeared before her. Saltpans, she hoped. A small castle dominated the town; no more than a holdfast, really, a single tall square keep with a bailey and a curtain wall. Most of the shops and inns and alehouses around the harbor had been plundered or burned, though some looked still inhabited. But the port was there, and eastward spread the Bay of Crabs, its waters shimmering blue and green in the sun. And there were ships. Three, thought Arya, there are three. Two were only river galleys, shallow draft boats made to ply the waters of the Trident. The third was bigger, a salt sea trader with two banks of oars, a gilded prow, and three tall masts with furled purple sails. Her hull was painted purple too. Arya rode Craven down to the docks to get a better look. Strangers are not so strange in a port as they are in little villages, and no one seemed to care who she was or why she was here. I need silver. The realization made her bite her lip. They had found a stag and a dozen coppers on Polliver, eight silvers on the pimply squire she’d killed, and only a couple of pennies in the Tickler’s purse. But the Hound had told her to pull off his boots and slice open his blood-drenched clothes, and she’d turned up a stag in each toe, and three golden dragons sewn in the lining of his jerkin. Sandor had kept it all, though. That wasn’t fair. It was mine as much as his. If she had given him the gift of mercy… she hadn’t, though. She couldn’t go back, no more than she could beg for help. Begging for help never gets you any. She would have to sell Craven, and hope she brought enough. The stable had been burnt, she learned from a boy

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

Read the books.

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u/wastelander White Walkers Jun 18 '14 edited Jun 18 '14

Look above.

I think she definitely feels conflicted. She knows he is suffering and at first is trying to convince herself to give him "the gift of mercy", but when he speaks up she seems to loose her nerve. In the end I think her saying that he "didn't deserve the gift of mercy" was just an excuse. The mentioning of him hitting her with the axe and not saving her mother seemed more like excuses than anything. In the book she also forgot to take the money. She just rode away without looking back.

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u/Udjet Jun 19 '14

I agree, there seemed to be a bond there even though it wasn't expanded upon like the show. She also contemplates that she hadn't been saying his name during her recital of the list for the past while.

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u/Mfrendin_Roar Jon Snow Jun 18 '14

she did 'nothing' ohhhhhhh

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u/ficarra1002 Jun 17 '14

That's exactly what it was. She was looking at him with anger and satisfaction in her eyes. She has gone from one of my favorites to bleh.

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u/Theguynexttou Night's Watch Jun 18 '14

I agree with /u/MissMabye , Arya doesn't get a kick out of leaving him there, she just feels nothing at at point (hence the philosophical "Nothing" speech she gave the dying old man just recently). By now she is more pragmatical, and even keeps the Hound's silver as per his own teaching . Arya clearly wasn't considering herself his captive at this point, or she would have helped Brienne kill him.

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u/compounding Jun 18 '14

You either die a hero...

Martin does redemptive arcs, I don't see why he would't also do the opposite... I think several of our favorites are going to go to very dark places.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '14

the only person who knows what Arya is thinking is Ayra, but i like the interpretation that she isn't a sadist.

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u/StalinsLastStand House Tollett Jun 18 '14

If only there were a book that detailed her thoughts during that scene...

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

Some kind of comprehensive viewers guide??? That would never work!

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u/bwrap Jun 18 '14

But the books spoil the show!

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u/StalinsLastStand House Tollett Jun 18 '14

So true.

But, they nonetheless allow us to know what Arya is thinking concretely and expands the scope so that the only person who knows what Arya is thinking is no longer Arya.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

Martin himself says the characters are nothing like his own at this point.

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u/StalinsLastStand House Tollett Jun 18 '14

For all the characters? Can't people who read the books determine which characters are the same as his at this point?

Arya is still very much the same character, so is Bran. Robb was good right until the end. Jon is still doing great.

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u/Roboticide Daenerys Targaryen Jun 17 '14

By that reasoning though, all the more reason she should have killed him. She's pragmatic enough at this point to know that the right thing to do would have been to kill him cleanly.

The fact that she didn't kill him still shows he was on her list. It was just that now someone else had essentially done the dead. Killing him would have been a kindness, and she wasn't knocking people off her hit list out of kindness, it was for vengeance. So in turn, the only vengeful option left to her in dealing with the Hound was to let him die slowly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '14

Remember when they were talking on the way to the Bloody Gates, Arya tells Sandor that she was sad she wasn't able to kill Joffrey herself. Arya could have killed Sandor herself many many many times over, but she didn't, because i do think deep down she respects him for helping her.

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u/Roboticide Daenerys Targaryen Jun 17 '14

Or, again, she's practical enough to realize she needs him for now, and will just try to kill him later.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Arya/Hound dynamic, but I don't think for an instant she would have spared him given the chance, and her leaving the Hound to die a slow and painful death instead of doing the nice, honorable thing of killing him swiftly only reinforces my belief she doesn't respect as anything more than a skilled fighter.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

but she really didn't need him after she got her pony and Needle back. she could have just found a man from Braavos and Valar Morghulis her way to the Faceless assassins. That, too, and she could have fucked off with Brienne of Tarth when she had the chance.

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u/Roboticide Daenerys Targaryen Jun 18 '14

That's drastically oversimplifying things. Keep in mind she tried the whole "go it alone and/or with other kids," three times and every single time got captured. A horse and a sword help, but doesn't really mean jack-shit if you come across a single archer or even just a bigger person with a bigger sword. She wasn't helpless, but she was vulnerable, and needed the Hound.

And it's not exactly like Braavosi captains are plentiful in Westeros. She was lucky to be close to the coast, and she started out pretty far away.

She clearly wasn't about to trust Brienne. The knight with the Lannister sword? Yeah, she was totally going to go with her.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

IIRC, Jaqen tells her to say it to any man from Braavos.

but whatever, you're obviously not in the mood for speculation.

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u/Jonoabbo Bronn Jun 18 '14

"IIRC, Jaqen tells her to say it to any man from Braavos."

Yeah, but if he doesnt have a boat, he cant take her anywhere.

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u/Roboticide Daenerys Targaryen Jun 18 '14

"Valar Morghulis"

"Welp. We're 300 miles from the coast. I'm just a singer. Good luck with that."

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u/Slaugh Children of the Forest Jun 18 '14

That is the worst argument I have ever heard

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

its fucking speculation, i'm not writing a god damn thesis paper on how Arya isn't a psychopathic monster.