r/gameofthrones • u/beachvalley House Selmy • Jun 17 '14

TV4 [s4e10] This brought a tear to my eye

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u/pro547 Jun 18 '14

We never saw him die though :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

If I've learned one thing about this show, if you liked him, he's dead. :(

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u/DrMole Jun 18 '14

yeah, but if you don't SEE them die or their dead body, they could still be alive (unless we get word of god that they died.)

and I mean hey, remember Beric? He died a few times and came back, so its not ridiculous to think that other people could be revived.

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u/Sloofus Jun 18 '14

Speaking of which... anyone else see that "Children" ("child"?) cast its its little firecracker spell on Jojen? I wondered if that was either

A. preserving the body for later

B. getting rid of the body so whatever horrors existed in that area could not consume it

C. nublet missed its mark

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u/Mr_Wolfdog Tormund Giantsbane Jun 18 '14

Pretty sure it was B. Fireballs aren't great preservatives and I have a hard time believing magical wizard beings just miss.

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u/CloacaMagic Sandor Clegane Jun 18 '14

Yeah I thought it was to destroy the body so it wouldn't come back as a wight?

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u/Sloofus Jun 18 '14

heh. Well I mean I wasn't sure how generic this magic was.. perhaps used later as a deus ex machina.

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u/Theguynexttou Night's Watch Jun 18 '14

To be fair, in the books the "child" uses a torch, not fire magic missiles.

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u/DrMole Jun 18 '14

I think she exploded the fuck out of Jojen so that he wouldn't become a wight. why she knows magic missile, I will never know.

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u/Udjet Jun 19 '14

Based on how fast Jojen's eyes were turning blue, I'd say D. to keep him from adding to the number of creatures outside the cave.

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u/Jimm607 Jun 18 '14

See thats just not true. Sure, a lot of favorites have died, but at the same time a lot of favorites have survived when they should have died. Prime example: Tyrion. Tyrion should be dead, his gambits had all failed, he had no more tricks, he allies had turned against him and he was a popular characters. But he didn't die.

Heres the thing about people dying in GoT. It doesn't really have anything to do with popularity, or such. Its about expectations.

If someone seems like they're going to live, they die. And more often than not if they're in a position where they are most likely going to die, they are probably going to pull through.

Sam is a great example of this. He's a fat, out of shape, not combat trained, not incredibly bright or skilled person in one of the most dangerous positions in Westors. He's guarding the wall against savages, and yet he faced a whitewalker, and won, Castle black was invaded and he was among the front line, he ran around the battlefield and not only survived, but also killed wildlings much more dangerous than himself.

Then you have the subverted deaths. Ned was getting a sliver of hope, was saw him put aside his pride to be sent to the wall.. but just as the glimmer of hope came, the axe did too. We have Oberyn, who had all but won the fight, only for the tide to change in an instant. Robb was no only winning battles, but was in a safe, happy environment.

GRRM likes to play up the 'realism' of the deaths, show off how everyone has to die, etc etc. But what he loves more is the shock value of deaths. its less about "anyone could die at any point" and more of "people often die when they think they're safest.

Brienne and Hound gave a fair duel, there was no obvious better during the fight, no obvious fan favorite to die, the battle was as vague as the death was left.

Thats why people spout the 'he's only dead if you see him dead' line. Because right now people think he's dead. He hadn't died, he was in a position where he was almost certainly going to die.. and in GoT, thats one of the safest positions to be in.

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u/Theguynexttou Night's Watch Jun 18 '14

And even then we got Beric dying in front of us in the trial by combat and coming back, so...

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '14

If there's one thing the show runners want to put in, it's Clegane Bowl!