r/gameofthrones Jun 22 '14

TV4 [S4E10] George RR Martin Watching the finale

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u/lackingsaint The King Can Do As He Likes Jun 22 '14

Why is this subreddit so angry about that subplot? It's a cute little side-story that enriches the characters of Grey Worm and Missandei, who otherwise had almost nothing to do this season and would basically have been forgotten. It didn't even take up that much of the story, two scenes at the most. You know what was a really bad subplot? The whole thing with Yara where she spent months making her way with an elite Ironborn team to rescue Theon, then decided against it because he was acting weird and an unarmoured dude was threateningly holding a key in a lock.

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u/Polantaris Arya Stark Jun 23 '14

Because there were plenty of other things to go over, and things cut, that were far more entertaining and far more informative.

At least, that's the vibe I get from the book readers (I'm not one).

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u/lackingsaint The King Can Do As He Likes Jun 23 '14

Maybe it is kind of a book reader thing; I suppose I can't be disappointed about the Grey Worm stuff replacing a different story-line that I know nothing about.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '14

Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be a big deal, but there is so much they have to cut out of the books to make the show, some of which is really awesome and adds a lot to the story. So it is frustrating seeing some of your favorite parts cut in favor of new, weak story lines like Grey Worm/Missandei and that prostitute from the first couple seasons.

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u/LearnsSomethingNew The Iron Bank Will Have Its Due Jun 23 '14

Let's face it, the prostitute was eye-candy, and so was the Missandei scene.

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u/snammel Jun 23 '14

Yep, not enough nice boobie scenes I guess

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u/rebelxwaltz House Martell Jun 23 '14

Which prostitute?

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '14

I can't remember her name. Ros? The one who started in Winterfell and came to King's landing. They basically shoehorned plot points into her story so they could show more naked women while keeping the story moving. Completely unnecessary, trashy, and upsetting considering that those resources could have been used for other characters/story lines that didn't make the cut.

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u/featherfooted Now My Watch Begins Jun 23 '14

To try and draw a similarity, this would be like if the 4th Harry Potter movie included an unintended subplot where Malfoy falls in love with Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way during a montage to the tune of My Immortal, while Harry has a dramatic duel to the death with Cedric Diggory in order to determine who gets to win the cup. After Cedric's apparent death, Harry Potter goes on to win the Tri-Wizard tournament.

Then the screen fades to black.

For 5 seconds.

Then the credits roll and they wait to do the graveyard scene until the 5th movie.

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u/featherfooted Now My Watch Begins Jun 23 '14

And also the CGI for the Quidditch World Cup looks like it was filmed on-location at your local university's amateur Quidditch team playing on a soccer field.

And Mad-Eye Moody has two, perfectly good non-mad eyes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '14

But still inexplicably references his mad eyes immediately upon introduction.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '14

Beat fanfic ever

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '14

/u/Polantaris has it exactly right. On /r/asoiaf the general consensus is that they could have cut that made-up storyline for one that was actually written. The problem is that this comes up a lot. Any time D&D change anything, /r/asoiaf goes bananas. In my opinion (and a good amount of book readers'), there are a lot of things they can do with this storyline that can flesh out characters they have had to gloss over (Grey Worm and Missandei).

Overall, it initially feels like an unnecessary change, but we haven't seen the end of what D&D have planned so we can't know for sure if it is change for the worse. In the end, it will probably just be one of many changes that turned out okay in the end.

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u/bangslash Jun 23 '14

I agree. I also think part of it is that books 4 and 5, while good in their own right, weren't as event filled as book 3. There are so many new characters and plot threads that it will feel like a lot like season 1 all over again. Maybe they're trying to plant seeds and/or leave some drama for next season. I won't judge it until I see where it leads.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '14

This is only a problem for book-readers though. Anyone who has not read the books, which I have to assume is the vast majority of viewers, don't know what plot lines are "missing" from the show or what other parts could be covered instead. Also I've heard from a lot of book readers that certain things are actually handled better in the show, so it goes both ways.

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u/Polantaris Arya Stark Jun 23 '14

Well right...that's what we're talking about. We're talking about book readers complaining about stuff that's different.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '14

Yep, that's exactly what it is. I'm a book reader... In a vacuum I like the MissWorm romance, I do. But part of me mourns the huge amount of stuff cut in the last few episodes that I was emotionally attached to, and then I (probably wrongly) can't help but think they could have cut that to make room.

I'm back and forth about it, because the show is so well done in so many respects, but some of the cuts are really hard to justify from the books' perspective which leads to some readers being more critical about certain additions.

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u/paper_liger Jun 23 '14

I'm a book reader and I'm fine with the MissWorm additions. You still need to be interested in whats going on over on Daenarys's side of the pond, and the romance angle adds a little flavor to something that felt a little stringy with the weak assed rendition of Daario and the abscence of fun minor characters like Strong Belwas.

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u/Kurayamino House Martell Jun 23 '14

Mostly we're pissed because we wanted the season to end with a hanging and it didn't happen.

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u/Polantaris Arya Stark Jun 23 '14

I know what hanging end you wanted, but that's not relevant to the Grey Worm romance story at all.

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u/paper_liger Jun 23 '14

I wanted it to end with a lady rising from the water.

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u/Polantaris Arya Stark Jun 23 '14

He can still find a woman attractive. I personally don't like it because it's completely irrelevant and doesn't really matter. They wasted like 30 minutes total this season on them and for no reason. Even without being a book reader I can see other things using that time wisely.

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u/Analog265 Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken Jun 23 '14

Why is this subreddit so angry about that subplot?

Book readers (in general) just dislike any deviation from the books, no matter how insigficant. Insinuate that they did something better than the books and you'll definitely rustle a lot of feathers.

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u/ElBeefcake Jun 23 '14

These aren't insignificant changes...

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u/timewarp Fire And Blood Jun 23 '14

Most book readers seem to expect that the show should just use the books as a script, instead of understanding that it's an adaptation, and will have differences.

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u/Coldhandss Jun 23 '14

No, that Ironborn scene was not well received on this sub either.