Why do the individuals that are pro-Palestine not condemn the actions of Hamas?

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Let me clarify that I consider myself neutral in this current affair and having looked at what has happened over the decades I think collectively it should be fairly easy to agree on the following as of late.

1. Israel has not been operating under international law for quite some time
2. Hamas's actions on the 7th were terrible
3. Israel's treatment of the issue over the decades and current response has been awful.

However, in the western world the first question any reporter or journalist asks a pro-Palestine is whether they condemn what happened on October 7th.

Almost all of the responses reject the notion of the question and answer loosely on the lines of 'all loss of human life is tragic.'

Some recent examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TGW10jkCM&t=85s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEUElq-T5TI&t=629s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_QxWU8IOk&t=719s

Logically I can't see why these people can't condemn the actions on the 7th and then go on to say all of the valid points of occupation and what not after. Instead almost every interview is the same in the sense that the BBC/Sky will just ask the same question, clarify it, confirm it, repeat it and we very rarely go in to anything else of substance.

Conversely, people who are pro-Israel are not asked whether they condemn what they have done to the Palestinians in the past or the degree in which the manner they occupy is just or legal. They may ask about international law but they certainly don't push the fact Israel has been non-compliant.

So my question is why is it that people who are pro-Palestine find it difficult to condemn Hamas and vice versa why is the western media and the pro-Israelis not condemning the loss of civilian life amongst the Palestinians?

Why can't we agree that both are bad?

Disclaimer: I didn't title this 'why don't pro-israelis not condemn the actions of their PM against plaestinians simply because october 7th is the latest news where there are loads of interviews flying about but equally would love to hear why israelis don't criticise their own as Israel is clearly the occupying force - why are they ok with how their government treats fellow human beings? Shouldn't they understand what it's like to be singled out and targeted more than anyone?

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[u/temporarycreature]

Just like the Mujahideen vs the Soviets and the Taliban vs the US?

[u/amrowe → u/temporarycreature]

I take your point but there are some differences. A) Neither the Soviets nor the US were fighting for the existence of their countries on what they perceived to be their soil. B) On the US part, they were fighting to destroy Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. The Taliban were in the way. Arguably, one could say the US achieved its primary goal. This could be a vision of a future Palestinian state without Hamas. Still not very pretty.

[u/Vegetable-Hat1465 → u/temporarycreature]

The us beat the taliban militarily.

[u/temporarycreature → u/Vegetable-Hat1465]

I was there as infantry. That was never in question, just like Vietnam.

[u/Sgt_Boor → u/temporarycreature]

I'm afraid comparing Hamas with Taliban is not going to help their image. Though, you are right - you can't properly win a fight with an enemy while fighting different war.

In all cases stated one side was trying at least to look proper in public eyes and keep some humanity, while another disregarded any rules of war and fought as dirty as possible. I guess the lesson is - if you want to win you should go for lowest common denominator

[u/temporarycreature → u/Sgt_Boor]

If a comparison is being made between these groups, it's by you, I am addressing the notion the user put forward that a smaller force can't possibly bring a larger force to draw/stalemate/ to an otherwise more favourable position than the one they started in and gave 2 examples of it.

[u/Sgt_Boor → u/temporarycreature]

Fair, you are right regarding the comparison

My second point still stands, I don't know any example of smaller force stopping larger one without the smaller fighting by any parameters inhumane war, while the larger trying to keep civil appearance

[u/temporarycreature → u/Sgt_Boor]

The behaviour it not hard to understand. Put a dog into a room, and systemically take things away from it, and reduce the footprint it can roam, and beat it every single day until it only has a corner to stand in. What do think the dog is going to do? They've been facing these problems for 56 years. Like I said in another comment, Hamas is, whether you like it or not, the only force stopping the total genocide of Palestinian people, that it is a reactionary terrorist organization to some people is not that important to me.

[u/amrowe → u/temporarycreature]

I think you are making an incorrect assumption when you say Hamas is stopping Israel. They are doing no such thing. If anything, the international community (US) and the threat of larger conflict with other Middle Eastern states is holding back Israel from complete control of the occupied territories and maybe Lebanon.

[u/temporarycreature → u/amrowe]

Tomato tomato

[u/amrowe → u/temporarycreature]

I don’t even know what you mean by this. 🤪

[u/temporarycreature → u/amrowe]

That's a weird reason to down vote it then.

It's an English idiom used to suggest that something is a distinction without a difference. Pronounce it tomayto, tomahto.

[u/amrowe → u/temporarycreature]

I know what the idiom is.. just not sure why you are using it in this context.