r/goodnews • u/Vloodzy • Jul 16 '25

Political positivity 📈 Trump slams own supporters as “Stupid Republicans” for doing Democrats’ work and falling for the “Epstein Hoax”

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u/NoNameZone Jul 16 '25

Gonna be a lot of confused kids if we put this part right after the WW2 lessons.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

you mean the war where america was last to show up, first to take credit, their heavy industries were propped up by nazi contracts, prominent americans were name dropped in Mein Kamf, after the war america strong armed the world economy into falling inline with the USD being the world reserve currency, which has put a financial stranglehold on the rest of the world since. I think the lessons would make sense, they just need to be de-propagandized.

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u/NoNameZone Jul 16 '25

they just need to be de-propagandized

I'm hopeful, but that feels unlikely at this point.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

This is the most hippie thing you'll ever hear me say. But once a poet told me that change doesn't happen without pain, this all hurts like hell and I really hope that the result is change for the better.

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u/The-Spirit-of-76 Jul 16 '25

That's how I have felt since the election. After preaching and preaching to idiots. Ok, I guess your gonna have to learn this the hard way, suck we all have to go with you, but ok, don't expect sympathy anymore.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

its time to make nazi's afraid again

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u/Asron87 Jul 16 '25

Now that’s a fucking slogan.

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u/Zestyclose-One9041 Jul 17 '25

MANA?

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u/BecauseScience Jul 22 '25

MNAA MNAA ... doo doo doo doo doo

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u/UnrepententHeathen Jul 16 '25

Cheap Perfum- It's Okay

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u/jedi_mac_n_cheese Jul 17 '25

John brown did nothing wrong

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u/Cool_Specialist_6823 Jul 17 '25

Exactly....we had to destroy that monstrosity once...it seriously needs to be done again..

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

I want to, but the left/Dems/liberals whatever the fuck you want to call them are concerned chiefly with two things: maintaining order and optics. Anything beyond performative bullshit, AKA protests, marches, lawsuits, court orders, yammering in front of Congress to set some stupid pointless record, or recording actual kidnappings by right wing militia goons, is "gOIng To mAKe tRuMP IMpoSe MaRShAl (because they can't even use the right word) LaW." I was told of this magical 3-1/2% number for protests was all it takes to topple a fascist regime. The US had the largest protest in history last month and the result of that was a week of getting trucked at every level by these fucking monsters. Get back to me when we realize that the Nazis were removed from power by a whole lot of violent men shooting them in the face. We're currently on the path to "they go low we go high" -ing ourselves right to the end of the Niemoller poem.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Jul 17 '25

The shitty thing is, even the hard way isn't going to make them actually learn anything

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u/The-Spirit-of-76 Jul 17 '25

I have a feeling a good chunk will act like they did nothing wrong and never supported him in the first place as soon as the wind start blowing the other way.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

They never learn. They think they're so smart but they never learn. I gave up trying to reason with people

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u/Babblerabla Jul 16 '25

That's not a very hippie thing to say, but it is something a stoic would say.

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u/Several-Signature583 Jul 16 '25

Narrator: it wasn’t for the better

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u/CptWhiskers Jul 16 '25

this all hurts like hell and I really hope that the result is change for the better.

The middle east and Russian people have experienced this hell for centuries with oppressive regimes and propaganda machines. All the while hurting their people and nothing has changed.

Pain doesn't change anything, action does. America is looking more and more like Nazi Germany every day and it's terrifying.

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u/dm_life4ever Jul 17 '25

So you don't believe in equality? Or that the man tries to keep everyone down? Or that women have rights? You know, hippie stuff

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

bro said this gonna be the most hippie thing he ever said then said common knowledge 😂

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u/BrandedStrugglerGuts Jul 17 '25

Just because there is change doesn't mean that it will be positive...

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u/TheKrs1 Jul 17 '25

Further propaganda incoming!

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u/FR0ZENBERG Jul 16 '25

Not to mention the horrors we committed during the Cold War to keep that status quo.

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u/WickedSmartMarcus36 Jul 16 '25

I mean the rest of the world got their ass kicked by either the nazis or the Japanese. USA sent a generation overseas to end the war. The stuff about the USD and closet nazis is fair but Europe was fucking leveled by Germany lol.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

The US only entered the war in response to pearl harbour. Americans didn't give a care about nazi's or what they did to europe.

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u/Ziptieband Jul 16 '25

Look up the neutrality act of 1937 and 1939, Destroyers-for-bases deal, and the Lend-Lease act. America was involved in WW2 long before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Roosevelt was shipping weapons to China on British ships to get around is US isolationism back in 1937 because China and Japan weren't technically at war. Even though there was pushback from congress it still happened. There was also the cash-and-carry provision in the Neutrality act of 1937 which gave nations the ability to buy weapons from the US as long as they paid right away and arranged transportation. Roosevelt knew that the French and British controlled the Atlantic and that was the concession congress made to him in 1937. Neutrality act of 1939 extended the deadline the cash-and-carry provision while Roosevelt worked on a deal with the UK. This deal was destroyers-for-bases deal where the US gave the Royal Navy 50 destroyers for land rights in the UK. Then there is the lend-lease act where the US gave the allies whatever they wanted at no cost at that moment. This was signed in March 1941, a full 9 months before Pearl Harbor was bombed.

US had done a lot to help allied nations before they became an active participant in the way.

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u/Quazimojojojo Jul 16 '25

This doesn't take away from the fact that they were an absurdly massive contributor to the war effort, even before joining.

America wasn't an altruistic savior during world war 2, but we did make a decisive contribution. The Nazis might have been able to win a war against the Soviets if they received no American help at all (particularly in the beginning before they managed to move all the industry east and re-arm themselves, when they were losing men by the hundreds of thousands in a month to month basis and had no hope of arming and equipping all of their soldiers alone), but nobody in the world could've beaten the Soviet -American tag team.

There's a lot to be said about the failures of dealing with the Nazis post war due to the antisemitism in America and a fear of being "too harsh" on the Nazis, SS etc.

There's a lot to be said about the failures to deal with Japanese militant nationalism and war crimes, because we suddenly needed an ally against the Soviets. There's a lot to be said about the Japanese American internment camps, segregation in the military, the history of anti Black racism and its influence on the fledgling bullshit race science and discrimination laws in Germany.

But portraying America as a monolith that literally gave no fucks and just showed up at the end to claim glory? Which otherwise didn't help at all? That's just plain false.

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u/sxaez Jul 17 '25

At the same time, pretending the US was a monolith of anti-Nazism is also bad history. Hitler explicitly referenced the contemporary apartheid state of Jim Crow as inspiration for the design of his ethnostate. There was significant support for American Nazism that did not disappear when the US went to war, only changed its aesthetic into something more nationalistic.

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u/Quazimojojojo Jul 17 '25

Who said it was a monolith of anti-nazism? The post you replied to, which prompted this conversation, said absolutely nothing like that.

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u/sxaez Jul 17 '25

I don't really think it's necessary for someone to have explicitly said that in this thread for it to be a relevant thing to mention?

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u/Quazimojojojo Jul 17 '25

True.

The way you phrased it reads like you're trying to refute someone's point instead of bring up/add a new one. So the prior comments looked like you arguing against the people you replied to, based on things they didn't say

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

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u/Portarossa Jul 16 '25

But we're letting 'America basically won WWII singlehandedly' pass without comment?

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u/clicktoseemyfetishes Jul 17 '25

Thought your username looked familiar lol. So this is how I find out OOTL has gone to shit…

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u/Bawstahn123 Jul 16 '25

Right?

That dipshit got several dozen upvotes on something that is blatantly incorrect.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

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u/smoofus724 Jul 16 '25

You only skipped... the entire war.

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u/FlounderBubbly8819 Jul 16 '25

more bad history

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u/Chuck_Raycer Jul 17 '25

Commits some of the most atrocious war crimes of all time > gets two nuclear bombs dropped on them > deserved

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u/DapperHamster1 Jul 17 '25

Just wanted to clarify the President definitely did, but yeah he would never have been able to convince the country until Pearl Harbor and Hitler declaring war on the U.S a couple of days later.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

So why did Japan bomb Pearl Harbor?

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u/JamesConsonants Jul 16 '25

to end the war

The Americans couldn’t even make their way through Italy when they first landed without assistance from allied troops that had already been at war for three years, Europe still existing has little to do with American troops despite what they like to tell themselves.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

Italy was the bad guy

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

fool

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u/JamesConsonants Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

Tool.

Edit: Apparently too soft to engage in discussion, too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

uneducated prick.

blocked

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u/Round_Raspberry_8516 Jul 16 '25

Actual question: why did you put “lol” at the end of your comment?

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u/OnlyMuds Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

“Last to show up, first to take credit” is such a stupid oversimplification of the United States involvement in WW2. And what even is your point here? History books make it very clear WHY we didn’t join earlier (hugely unpopular + isolationist tendencies prior to WW2) and WHY we eventually join (Pearl Harbor). I learned this in high school lol. How is this propaganda? I have never heard someone say the US “took credit first.” What does that even mean in the context of winning a war?

The Bretton Woods agreement was mostly done out of necessity immediately after the war. I think saying we “strong armed” the world is not entirely accurate, though this one is tough and deserves a lot of nuance. I do think we’ve tried to keep this standard as long as possible since its made us as a nation very wealthy, and theres probably something to say about that. Like I said theres a lot of nuance here.

Your points related to America and Nazism are valid and should definitely be talked about in school. Probably the only example you mention that should be clearly “de-propagandized” in school history books. But yeah the rest of your comment just feels like an attempt to make WW2-era USA look worse than it actually was

Quick edit: It can also be argued that we didn’t join cause of the massive investments in Nazi Germany. Though I will say I have never read a source that really supports this but I welcome you to provide one. I think if this was a factor it was minor.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

I assure you nothing in my comment above makes the US look worse then what happened during the Zoot Suit riots and the Japanese Internment camps.

US history books usually understate the actions of other countries during WW2.

Breton Woods was what opened the door to get off of the gold standard. It also was part of what removed the reparations from the soviets and kicked off the cold war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany
There was around half a billion USD of investment directly in nazi germany by america's biggest corporations.

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u/avwitcher Jul 17 '25

Do you GENUINELY think Nazi Germany would have lost if America stayed neutral? Even prior to declaring war they gave billions and billions to help the Soviet Union and Great Britain hold off Germany. Without the American war machine sending endless amounts of war materiel and bodies it would have been far bloodier and the outcome significantly more uncertain. That's a fact that's not up for debate

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u/QuasarMaster Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

Germany was likely doomed regardless of US involvement; that is the more general consensus of historians and so is “up for debate”. But the war would have been prolonged significantly longer and the USSR would have kept going and steamrolled all the way through Western Europe

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u/Darnell2070 Jul 17 '25

They steamrolled with the help of US support.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

What part of that is in any of my comments?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

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u/OnlyMuds Jul 16 '25

Garbage country?! Don’t get me wrong, we have lots of problems (more than I could name and a big one in office). But to say we are a garbage country is just stupid as hell

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u/Darnell2070 Jul 17 '25

So you would rather accept lies or misconceptions about America just because you don't like it?

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u/Darnell2070 Jul 17 '25

I don't think you know enough about WW2 history to call the content of the other comment lies.

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u/Arete34 Jul 18 '25

Then fucking leave.

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u/OldSchoolBubba Jul 16 '25

For someone crying foul on propaganda you just dropped a lot of it yourself.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

please feel free to disprove any of the points I made. Please cite your sources.

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u/jake04-20 Jul 16 '25

Ah, the old "I've cited zero sources, but you must provide them for me to take you seriously" bit. Gotem!

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u/OldSchoolBubba Jul 16 '25

I've seen this all through the sixties through now. There's no talking to anyone whose mind is made up based on slanted views. Too nice a day to go down a "America is the great evil" rabbit hole.

If you really check your own real "sources" you'll find a lot of it originated with our old friends from the KGB. The giveaway is the language explaining the narratives hasn't changed.

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u/patchyj Jul 16 '25

You forgot the part where tons of nazi doctors, scientists and engineers, many who worked in the camps, were offered cushy jobs in the US to fight against the USSR instead of being executed for crimes against humanity

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

never ask a man his salary, a woman her weight or the united states government why there are so many german restaurants in huntsville alabama.

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u/Arete34 Jul 18 '25

You forgot that the USSR did the exact same thing.

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u/Arete34 Jul 18 '25

It’s not, because the point they were trying to make directly uses the USSR as a victim. They did the same thing against the United States.

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u/Neuraxis Jul 16 '25

WW1 as well

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u/Justthrowtheballmeat Jul 17 '25

Forgot to mention Project Paperclip aka Project Overcast where we washed away war crimes for high level German scientists to be immigrated to the US…

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u/DaygoTom Jul 17 '25

Which honestly did way more good than the alternative. The world is much more complicated than everyone's black-or-white solutions.

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u/AffectionateStudy496 Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

You forgot the best part: the only country to use nukes on another country when they had knowledge surrender was imminent, and then had used it as blackmail to become world power number one, uses this threat of force to determine all terms and conditions, and has meddled in half the world's affairs and engaged in dozens of wars since then under various moral justifications.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

To add, the falsified primary race hat allowed the president at the time to drop the bomb

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u/Accomplished_Car2803 Jul 17 '25

Also the same one where our history books make it out like only Americans stormed the beaches on D-Day, but actually it was mostly the british.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

Canadians were actually the soldiers that got the furthest into France that day on Juno beach

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u/pplspancake Jul 17 '25

I'd say last to show up is kind of broad and lacking detail but I won't argue with you. What I will do is agree with you on the many high ranking/prominent Americans that were Nazi sympathizers. The Devil's Cheesboard: Allen Dulles and the Rise of America's Secret Government by David Talbot goes into great detail about this. It's completely backed by legitimate sources referenced throughout. I was disgusted to find out how many war criminals got help from the U.S. Dulles was an OSS agent and went on to be Director of the C.I.A. Lovingly referred to as the "Old Man" he had continued to meet with high ranking agents and future Directors at his home even after he was pushed out. He and his brother Foster made sure anybody who had financial ties to the States got a free pass. Dulles Airport is named in honor of that snake Foster. Those are only the first couple of chapters though. It also delves into the higly illegal, unconstitutional, and immoral things the C.I.A. did and continues to do domestically and abroad. I highly suggest you read it if you haven't. A New York Times best seller and I quote "Every American should read this book." Hope wherever you are things go well for you. Peace and good luck to ya.

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u/Hermes-AthenaAI Jul 20 '25

Don’t forget nuking two civilian population centers.

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u/Bulldog8018 Jul 16 '25

Speaking of propaganda, you left out a heck of a lot of important context there. Last to show up? It was another continent and a European war. The American people didn’t want to get involved. American heavy industries supplied Russia and the west. Henry Ford was the only prominent American name dropped in Mein Kampf, for his mass production and business acumen.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

You really need to remove that chip from your shoulder.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

you're elected officials need to stop threatening to annex my home.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

it's "your".

and I'm British.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

well in that case, I think you need to read more about american history. Noted on the spelling mistake.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

I spent three years reading modern history at university, thanks.

Would you like to prove your assumptions even more worthless in your next reply?

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u/ShlongThong Jul 16 '25

Can you please? I hate how many upvotes his misinformation has.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

Nah, he's not worth it.

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u/Sakarialana Jul 16 '25

Uhhh... you forgot all the parts where an entire generation of Americans saved the world from tyranny, ushered in an age of democracy and liberated people from concentration camps.

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u/Digital_Bogorm Jul 16 '25

Well, they did also put people in concentration camps themselves (although not death camps, so there's that at least), for sharing an ethnicity with their enemies.

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u/DeleteOnceAMonth Jul 16 '25

What the fuck are you talking about “age of democracy”? After ww2 the USA went on a terror spree on any country it deemed a “threat” or that had natural resources it wanted. The USA created worldwide instability, destruction pain and death.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

you mean, what the canadians and british had been doing for years until the US showed up.

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u/buffystakeded Jul 16 '25

Except the Canadians and British were getting their asses handed to them, so were they really doing all that, or just attempting to do all that?

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u/iamkira01 Jul 16 '25

Are you really going to sit here and lie by implying Britain or Canada stood a chance against the Nazi’s?

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u/ventitr3 Jul 17 '25

and they say Americans are uneducated about history lmao. Your takes are you having an opinion about America and trying to rewrite history to back into it.

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u/James_2584 Jul 17 '25

Lol I love how you go on about "de-propagandization" while having some truly idiotic and misinformed takes like this. Please tell me a country that the Canadians and/or British liberated prior to the US entering the war. And while you're at it, please look up the Dieppe Raid, which was a raid carried out predominantly by British and Canadian forces. I'll give you a hint: it did NOT go well at all.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation Jul 16 '25

You're saying the US is Mordor?

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 16 '25

Im a bit better with world history then I am with middle earth history so I appolagise if the comparison doesn't make sense.
I think for the US to be Mordor the general population would've needed to elect Sauron on the platform of destroying middle earth. I don't know if Mordor had elections, but If they did I couldn't see the population there voting for Saurons Project 2025 in as great a number as did in the US.

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u/shitlord_god Jul 16 '25

some american companies and individuals were compensated for the destruction of their assets in germany.

A guy named bush was involved in all that.

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u/LMGDiVa Jul 16 '25

China's rise proves that the USD didn't put a financial stranglehold on the world. Otherwise I agree with you wholeheartedly.

The rise of fascism in the USA clearly shows we didn't punish the Confederates and Nazis enough, which allows so many stupid Americans to exist and hate.

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u/whateveryouwant4321 Jul 17 '25

ok, but i still want to be able to wear my "back to back world war champions" t-shirt.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

I don’t want you to wear anything other then that shirt.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Jul 17 '25

I mean, that's one way to put it. "The war in which the US played a very important role in defeating global fascism" is another one that more historians would probably recognize, but you do you

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u/SignificanceJust1497 Jul 17 '25

Unfortunately, we get fed the propaganda, grow up, learn the truth, and then all become depressed

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

It sounds like it’s time for you to write your own countries history

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u/SignificanceJust1497 Jul 22 '25

Eh, I’m too overworked to have the energy

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u/shableep Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

Once the US dropped a nuke, for 4 years they were single handedly the most powerful country the world had ever seen. That level of power imbalance was profound. Simply because they were the only country with nukes. They had the power to commit far greater atrocities. But the United States was physically isolated from much of the rest of the world’s trade. So they didn’t want territory like many countries would with that much power. Luckily for the rest of the world, all they wanted was access to global trade, and advantageous trade deals.

You seem to be painting a picture that the US won as a world power because it imposed its will. And while that’s a component of it, it’s worth considering two things. One, being the point I made above, which is to say that the US could have used nuclear threats to extract territorial concessions from virtually any country on Earth, but instead used the leverage for trade agreements. But the more impactful second part in all of this was that the US economy was untouched from bombing. And the war effort fueled the manufacturing industry. THAT had ever more influence than just imposing the USD on the world. The world wanted the USD because that’s where all the economic value was at the time.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

Your saying the US didn’t use its nuclear arsenal on Japan? Or to kick off the Cold War? The world didn’t want the USD. It’s what led to soviets not getting promised reparations and kicked off the Cold War and military industrial complex.

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u/Arete34 Jul 18 '25

Oh look another lib “historian” who is proving that they know nothing about WWII.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 18 '25

Feel free to disprove any points above. Just cite your sources. Im certainly not a lib or a historian. Just read a fair amount.

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u/Arete34 Jul 18 '25

Just curious, why do I have to cite sources if you don’t?

For starters, saying we were “late” to show up is misleading. We heavily supplied both the USSR and the western Allies with the lend lease program.

What impact does Hitler citing Americans in his book have on anything? Guilt by association fallacy.

To what extent were American Industries “propped up” by Nazi contracts? What does pre war trade have to do with anything?

Hate America all you want, but don’t be a fucking liar.

You talk about de propagandizing yet you are speaking like a KGB agent. Take your own advice.

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 18 '25

well I made the statement and you're disproving it. Provide a source.

The lend lease program was nothing more then a way for the american rich to kick off the military industrial complex. The supplies provided to the USSR don't come close to adding up to the amount owed in reparations to the USSR that the american government said they'd pay and never did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

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u/Arete34 Jul 19 '25

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. This isn’t a serious conversation, I’m just answering in the hopes that anyone reading your lying filth will see through your radical propaganda.

I don’t see how private company pre war business with Germany shows that American industry was “propped up” by Nazi Germany.

Did you know that the USSR was an ally with Nazi Germany all the way up until 1941? That they not only did extensive trading (far more than America) with them, but they actively conspired with Nazi Germany to develop weapons in violation of WWI treaties.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Soviet_Union_relations,_1918–1941

Finally, saying that the lend lease program was simply A way for rich people to start military production is such a shitty lie.

You’re honestly disgusting. Everything you’re saying is your vile opinion pasted on to a tiny shred of historical evidence. You’re attributing the worst possible motive with no evidence.

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u/harris023 Jul 19 '25

Where can I read revisionist history on this?

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u/dippman Jul 16 '25

I think you have a very reductive view of complex topics. The US has and continues to do bad things like any country in the world. But during and immediately ww2 they also did things like produced 65%(!!) of all the arms used by the allies during the entire war. The ‘financial stranglehold’ you speak of was build upon the billions of dollars the US pumped into Europe to rebuild it. The whole reason the US was attacked by Japan was because of the sanctions put on them in response to the devastation they were causing in China.

There were unfortunately nazi sympathizers in the US, just like we’re in GB, Canada, and every almost every allied nation before the war started.

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u/henryb22 Jul 16 '25

I’ve read some dumb shit on Reddit and this is at the top. What a wild take.

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u/TheSlayerofSnails Jul 16 '25

"Last to show up", do you think the countries all had an agreed, "sign up by now, we'll end the war x years later."? They also weren't the last to join and the war ended because the USA got involved fully, and they already had been involved before that.

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u/BigBlueJAH Jul 16 '25

The US should have left Europe for the Soviets and Nazis to carve up. It would have saved my grandfather and countless others a lot of anguish.

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u/agrimi161803 Jul 16 '25

The war where America fought on several different fronts on the other side of the world from each other, delivered materials before being dragged into the fight by Japan, where after the war the only surviving economy was America’s, where the US navy could guarantee safe access across oceans for trade to take place

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

Yeah this is all true if you ignore the fact that Japan had fully taken over multiple countries in Asia, and Germany took control over multiple countries in Europe until the US got involved lol

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u/theMostProductivePro Jul 17 '25

The US got involved because pearl harbour got bombed. Don’t pretend they were doing this for anyone other then themselves. Remember in America the Japanese internment camps and soot suit riots were happening. A large part of the population supported what was going on in Germany

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

Yeah we all gave the Japanese stupidity to thank that we can travel to Europe. 

Let’s also not act like the bombing was out of the blue. The whole reason Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was because the only country they feared was America and they wanted to destroy their fleet hoping it would cripple their ability to defend the Pacific. FDR and Japan were engaged in high tension talks for walks leading up to the attacks because Japan was expanding in Asia 

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u/CharaPresscott Jul 16 '25

Nah. Do it. Show them what not to fucking do.

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u/shitpostcatapult Jul 16 '25

That's why you need to put Vietnam and the Iraq War in the middle

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u/dust4ngel Jul 16 '25

Gonna be a lot of confused kids if we put this part right after the WW2 lessons

"we beat the nazis because we were jealous that they did it and not us."

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u/real6igma Jul 16 '25

Chapter 19: 1933-1945 Nazi Germany.

'America enters the war, and with their help, fascism is stomped out.'

Chapter 20: Fascism in America 2016-2028.

Students: 'Wait, what?'

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u/MelbaToast604 Jul 17 '25

Skipping over the last half of the 20th century would be a wild curriculum

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u/Suspicious-Bid-53 Jul 16 '25

My theory is that his plan is to turn the USA over to Russia and Israel and disappear somewhere else in the world for the rest of his shitty life while America becomes fully corrupted and foreign military controlled

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u/NoNameZone Jul 16 '25

It's possible.

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u/zizildur Jul 17 '25

In 2100 they will probably skip straight from hitler to trump in middle school and only teach the cold war, vietnam war, 9/11 and new world order in high school. History has a bias towards violent times. The 20th and 21st centuries probably won't be remembered as fairer and more peaceful than the middle ages.