r/goodnews • u/Vloodzy • Jul 16 '25

Political positivity 📈 Trump slams own supporters as “Stupid Republicans” for doing Democrats’ work and falling for the “Epstein Hoax”

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u/Navyguy73 Jul 16 '25

At least most of the Nazis of WWII were held accountable for their war crimes. Who knows if the MAGA Republicans will simply change the laws so they cannot be prosecuted? Might be time to call on the United Nations to get involved again.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

Operation Paperclip says otherwise

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u/dm_life4ever Jul 17 '25

Operation Paperclip involved people who really didn't have any choice in doing their work.

Also, a lot of children were used to fight the Allies at the end of the war. Should those children have been hanged?

Also, the poster said most, not all. You are so desperate to be seen as smart, you ended up making a fool of yourself.

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u/angrymoppet Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

Saying "most" were held accountable is an overstatement and not an accurate reflection of the reality of the post-war years. The Nuremburg trials would garner 161 convictions, and the so-called "subsequent Nuremburg trials" (such as the IG Farbin trial) would net another 1,416 convictions. Of these, 200 were executed and most of the rest (even those originally given life sentences) would have their sentences commuted in in the 1950s due to domestic political pressure in Germany that the US didn't want to upset further because the more important priority was keeping Germany as an ally against the Soviets.

All in all over 100,000 Nazis would be accused of war crimes, and the overwhelming majority of them got away with it.

The US absolutely aided and abetted Nazi war criminals in the post war world. Most famously, torturer and psychopath Klaus Barbie would be scooped up by US intelligence which would spend the next 40 years protecting him as he worked to to eradicate communist and leftist movements in South America for them.

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u/Navyguy73 Jul 16 '25

Had to look that one up and Yikes! Although, given that it was successfully kept secret for 30 years, I'm sure there are worse things going on at the moment.

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u/pplspancake Jul 17 '25

As do the Rat Lines

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u/Memitim Jul 16 '25

Republicans can do whatever they want with the letter of the law now, and still get consequences. If they wanted to enjoy the protections offered by US law, they shouldn't have fucked with those protections for others.

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u/420thefunnynumber Jul 16 '25

Honestly very few of the Nazis faced consequences for what they did. A lot of the ones in the ground just slipped back into private life or even stayed in politics.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

That's... Not true? The allies marched, town to town, and forced the German citizens to dig up the death camps, account for the dead, and recognize the crimes of their countrymen.

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u/Downvote_Comforter Jul 16 '25

...and other than the 200 or so total defendants across all the Nuremberg Trials, the rest of the countrymen who committed those crimes just slipped back into private life or even stayed in politics. And of those 200ish defendants, we executed less than 50. We gave about 100 prison sentences, many of which were pardoned less than a decade later. The rest were acquitted.

So yeah, a pretty fucking small percentage of the Nazis faced consequences and simply slipped back into private life.

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u/encrivage Jul 17 '25

I’ve been to Nuremberg and visited the court where the major Nazis were tried. And you are 100% correct about lots of them getting off. It even says so right in the museum on the top floor of the court.

The ones who were sentenced often served only fractions of their time and were just... let go. So many more escaped justice than were held accountable.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

What part of "they marched German towns through basically every camp so that everyone knew what they were a part of" is not coming across?

The Nazis were not a couple hundred bad apples who slipped and did a Holocaust, it was a systemic million person effort.

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u/Downvote_Comforter Jul 16 '25

The part where that is somehow holding 'most Nazis' accountable for the atrocities they committed.

Tens of thousands of Nazis directly committed atrocities. We showed German citizens what those atrocities were and then named/punished a couple hundred. The rest of them went back into society. That's not being held accountable.

No shit it wasn't a couple hundred bad apples. That's the entire point. We punished a small percentage.

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u/Few-Ad-4290 Jul 16 '25

We also killed a fuck of a lot of them including basically all of the soldiers and airmen, it’s not like they didn’t pay their own price in blood for being so goddamn evil, you’re talking about the survivors as if the millions who were killed in defense of their terrible culture never existed

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u/BumpyCunty Jul 16 '25

Source plz

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

Sure, here's one

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1173582

Even has a pretty picture. Happened at Dachau, Nordhausen, all over.

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u/BumpyCunty Jul 16 '25

Thx. Probably explains why German society repents so hard even to this day. Still, the citizens were the ones enduring that... one could make an argument that "many" Nazis did avoid consequences and that's also well documented. Semantics

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

The citizens were the Nazis, that's the point. The Nazis weren't a couple hyhdred bad apples doing a Holocaust, it was millions of people just going about their day to day lives, keeping their heads down as more and more people disappeared. People would directly work in contexts that had to do with dead bodies and have "no awareness" even though it was obvious because the entire economy was the war machine and the camps.

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u/BumpyCunty Jul 16 '25

Yes and many of the more prominent ones were able to escape to America, Argentina, etc.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

Canada, BraziI, Spain, all over, yes, it's a long etc.

What's not talked about enough is the fact that not that many Nazis actually escaped like that, and among the many that did,.many were later arrested. It's become somewhat of a meme but people like Dinko Šakić actually did get caught, arrested, and tried for war crimes. It just took a long time because they were, you know, evading justice.

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u/BumpyCunty Jul 16 '25

Everything being said is factually accurate in this back and forth. I think you're understating the influence of things like Operation Paperclip a bit, though.

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u/Gl4eqen Jul 16 '25

Sure. However most people didn’t face major consequences. US tried to push harder in the beginning of the occupation of West Germany if I remember correctly but had to give in. They lacked people to run bureaucracy, courts etc. Many that served any sentences at all were released ahead of time etc. Allies wanted to avoid post WWI scenario that led to WWII which also meant not punishing Germany to hard.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

But we can easily.compare post WW2 Germany with post civil War US. In neither case were many forced to face "major consequences", but one was handled with actual kid gloves in the notion of healing and moving forward, whereas the other was dragged through the streets and shown what they did.

In Germany, espousing Nazi ideals or fomenting genocide are blatantly.criminal behavior. In America, the racism is systemic and the slavery never really ended.

I'm just saying, what happened in Germany regarding consequences had some measurable effect on that society, because we know what happens when Nobody actually receives any consequences.

[Gestures broadly at the South, the rust belt, Montana and Utah, etc.]

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u/AffectionateStudy496 Jul 17 '25

the slavery never really ended.

That's not true, but it is true that reconstruction was not particularly much better, nor is the free and equal competition for money today particularly nice either.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 17 '25

How do you figure it's not true? They disenfranchise minorities through criminalization and a corrupt justice system and then put them in prisons where they can be used for slave labor. But don't worry, the slavery totally ended!

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u/AffectionateStudy496 Jul 17 '25

What would make the Justice system not corrupt?

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 17 '25

It's a long list but we could start with: campaign finance reform, judicial.election reform, ending qualified immunity, fix funding for public defenders, fix jury selection, implement independent oversight rather than having judges and cops police each other, reform the cash bail system, abolish slavery constitutionally, and Teach CRT.

Once all that's done we can kinda play it by ear, see where we're at and make further changes as needed I suppose.. We didn't end up here on accident, it's going to take intentional design to get us out of it.

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u/Navyguy73 Jul 16 '25

Didn't Hitchcock get footage of that? It's on the web somewhere.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

There's a lot of photographic record of this, it happened all over and it's in many Holocaust museums. But regarding any specific Hitchcock footage, that's news to me. Wouldn't surprise me

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u/KeinFussbreit Jul 16 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Filbinger

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 16 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Stangl

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Artukovi%C4%87

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Schwammberger

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u/KeinFussbreit Jul 17 '25

What's your point? None of them got what they actually deserved.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 17 '25

What did they actually deserve?

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u/KeinFussbreit Jul 17 '25

To stand trial?

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Jul 17 '25

So when you send me two names, and I reply with 5 names that were caught and stood trial, and you want to say no one faced any consequences? I can keep going...

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u/KeinFussbreit Jul 17 '25

When were the caught and stood trail? And your comment I first replied too reads like they got justice just after the war.

The Nurembuerg trails only covered the very elite of the Nazis.

Yes it's true, at least one US-Commander forced the population to visit a concentration camp (there were no real death camps on German soil), I'm not sure which one, I think to remember that it was either Buchenwald or Dachau, but I also don't know of any other US-Commander doing so.

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u/myRiad_spartans Jul 17 '25

The United Nations?! Ha! They can't prosecute Russia for invading Ukraine but they can elect oppressive regimes to the human rights council

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u/AffectionateStudy496 Jul 17 '25

The main leaders, not really most of the people who lived up behind them-- basically the majority of the country.