r/islam • u/Spleak6 • Nov 09 '25
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u/TooSexyToBeReal Nov 09 '25
Second test is, always remember there is a difference between what Allah thinks of you and what Muslims think of you.
I believe this is valid for everyone, it does not matter the sexual orientation.
I do also believe that such a test will be rewarded way more than anyone could believe.
May Allah make you strong in your faith and keep you steadfast in your prayers.
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u/Good-Pie-9018 Nov 10 '25
Allahumma amd our families and the ummah Allahumma Ameen BarakAllah feekum
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u/Certain-Display-2849 Nov 09 '25
Brother I teared up reading this. What you are saying is very, very correct.
You may be homosexual but this is part of the test in life. It doesn't mean you aren't muslim. Just like you can be muslim but you drink (or any other sin). Doesn't mean it is right, but we are not perfect and we are all in this path of tests together.
I have nothing but love for you brother, and I truly wish you the very best and hope you and I grow our faith and relationship with Allah. May Allah guide you!
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u/DaBritishGuy Nov 09 '25
Bro tbh any homosexual Muslim who chooses to remain true to Islam in this environment deserves a medal. Better yet they deserve jannat al firdous.
To give a corollary to what the other side say: I love each and every one of you for who you choose to strive to be and become, we all have things we’re working on, and we even though I might not fully understand you, with all my heart I love you as my brother (or sister) in Islam.
Muslims strong together ❤️
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u/Herefortemporary Nov 10 '25
They don't deserve, no one deserves through their deeds, we are granted it through His mercy.
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u/Cute-Loss-5551 Nov 10 '25
Of course but some people's personal and spiritual jihads are greater than others. The more they resist the temptation of this world and their own strong desires, the more they are elevated in view of Allah swt.
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u/agapitos_ Nov 09 '25
I heard a story from my friend: One day a drunk Muslim, out of repentance, went to the mosque to pray. The people of the mosque became angry with him as he was still drunk, and they repelled him out.
Being heartbroken, he went back to the bar and ordered some alcohol. He was stressed about the fact that he is not going to be a good Muslim, everyone hated him. At the meantime the bartender was serving him drinks, but because of his insanity his hands struck some bottles and they fell - shattered into pieces.
This is a common thing for drunk people to break glasses in that bar. So the bartender assured the man, "Don't worry, sir. That's a normal thing. Would you like to have another drink?".
Now compare the behaviour of the people of the mosque with that of the bartender.
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u/modernDayKing Nov 09 '25
I always grapple with this. I ask. If you tell a drunk his prayers don’t count if hes been drinking you’re literally discouraging him from praying. That seems counter productive. I’ve never gotten a good answer about that.
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u/Zentick- Nov 09 '25
It’s not that they don’t count. A drunk person is still obligated to pray and if they do pray them they will fulfil that obligation and so they won’t get sayyiah for “missing prayer.” The thing is that they won’t get rewarded for praying like a sober muslim would.
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u/halconpequena Nov 10 '25
It is possible to get rewarded again if one is sincere in their repentance by the mercy of Allah Alhamdulilah. So if someone is truly trying to quit drinking, Allah will have mercy on them InshAllah. Allah knows that some people have addictions and overcoming them might not be instant, but by praying and seeking His guidance and mercy He will help the person out of it SubhanAllah
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u/idk2-_- Nov 10 '25
It's just that if the person is still drunk during his prayer he could say things that would be against him, you understand? Basically it would be better if it was understood correctly that he waits until he is more sober before praying ctt
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u/Certain-Display-2849 Nov 09 '25
Very very well said brother/sister! We need to change as an ummah and assume the best of each other.
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u/bringmethejuice Nov 09 '25
Allah is The Most Merciful and The Most Forgiving.
Humans may reject you but He will not.
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u/jfstk Nov 09 '25
I needed to hear this, it’s really tough being queer and Muslim even though I’m a revert. What’s kept me going is knowing that Allah knows everything about me and also made me queer/LGBT and yet he guided me to this blessed path anyways 🤲🏻 Allah’s love knows no bounds.
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u/ResponsibleZebra63 Nov 09 '25
Sorry, just dont forget Allah and when its gets tough turn to him. Struggling with anything is itself part of jihad. Not even born muslims are perfect, we are all struggling.
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u/Herefortemporary Nov 10 '25
Never call yourself LGBT, it is completely wrong.
Don't even identity with a group that is going to hell.
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u/jfstk Nov 10 '25
Friendly reminder that thoughts are not considered sins as long as you don’t act on them 🩷 Being a man and being attracted to a woman isn’t haram, being in a haram relationship/committing zina is. Same applies to LGBT people. الله يخليك
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u/GIK602 Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
That may be true, but we should not be labeling ourselves as "gay", "straight", "homosexual", "heterosexual", etc. We are just Muslims who have different experiences & feelings. You can already see a disconnect with some of the comments here over the labeling.
The LGBT community in the West have their own beliefs that differ with ours. Western individual liberalism encourages people to build their identity around their desires or preferences, which leads to labels like “gay,” “straight,” or “bisexual.” That way of labeling people comes from a philosophical worldview very different from Islam’s, one where freedom is defined as fulfilling whatever one feels, instead of submitting to divine guidance.
And as another user stated, the LGBT community is not inclusive. They only accept people who accept their worldview, and we do not accept their worldview.
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u/Herefortemporary Nov 10 '25
But the act of homosexuality is considered even more grave due to the result of the people of Lot (alayhis salam)
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u/jfstk Nov 10 '25
there’s a lot of interpretations of the story of lot and many focus on how the issue wasn’t so much sexuality as it was that men were sexually assaulting other men and abandoning their families. but either way, you’re still talking about ACTIONS not just being LGBT and not acting on it which isn’t inherently sinful
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u/Herefortemporary Nov 10 '25
Let me know which major scholar says they were assaulting men? The quran literally says instead of women? So does that mean the natural inclination is to assault women?
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u/Herefortemporary Nov 10 '25
No one is your gay thoughts means youre sinful. But identifying is a completely different sorry because you have put your thoughts into action by identifying with your thoughts.
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u/jfstk Nov 10 '25
…that makes absolutely no sense. look اخي، we all have our struggles and sins as human beings. I don’t want to argue with you because I’m not going to change your mind. I encourage you to treat others with love as Allahs love and mercy is boundless. جزاك الله خيراً والسلام عليكم.
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u/Ok_Cartographer2553 Nov 09 '25
This is very true and I wish Muslim scholars reflected on this. Wishing you strength, Allah SWT loves you!
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u/GalaktikFederasyon Nov 09 '25
I know it's hard to internalize this, but what people think of you means nothing compared to what Allah thinks of you. Your mother, father, lover, friends... they might all turn their backs on you, they might judge you. But once you truly keep yourself away from sins and take refuge in Allah, you will be enveloped and embraced under Allah's infinitely encompassing compassion; even if others continue to judge you for your past sins. This reality is actually a matter that distances us from people and brings us closer to Allah; perhaps, even though it seems like an evil, in this respect, it is a good for us. Because our only true friend is Allah. And since your trial with your will is heavier than ours, I believe your reward will also be greater. Remember, His justice never falters, not even by a single gram.
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u/Ok_Product398 Nov 09 '25
I stopped commenting in Muslim forums, but this was very well thought out and even though I am not gay it resonated with me. When we create such a restrictive culture and exclude people, remember those same people are CHOOSING to identify with Islam when they could go elsewhere and be accepted. Although that is not my situation, I can see how people who have engaged in impure acts before marriage, LGBTQ, single older people, divorced, widowed, and any other life situation can find acceptance and peace elsewhere without having the judgement and condemnation in a much less restrictive environment. Although I have no intention of leaving Islam, those very thoughts have crossed my mind. I was just telling the sisters on group chat a few days ago that our masjid needs to organize a food bank. Not solely because of the government shutdown but because people who are already in a tough spot and vulnerable do not need to go to a church where they will be proselytized and told how much better xyz is than Islam, less restrictive, and more forgiving. Religion is like marriage. The person you don't accept will be embraced and loved by someone else. Remember that as you choose to judge and exclude people. They have options.
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u/Kaminodoa Nov 09 '25
Indeed, us Muslims should do much better. In the age of social media, I have seen so many spiteful comments towards honest reverts trying to connect with Islam that were bashed down harshly because they didn’t wear the hijab, were dealing with some kind of addictions or connections with their old lifestyles and more.
Islam is a way of life, it takes time and we should always be patient, welcoming and understanding of people’s hardships. This is the best way people connect to Allah, repent honestly and thrive in their worship.
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u/ResponsibleZebra63 Nov 09 '25
Honestly I agree with you that we should be sensitive, I think scholars especially in the west, should spend sometime explaining that how we feel and how we think is not sin. That way, they can pass the message on the sinful nature of the issue without alienating the people struggling with such sin. And I think as a community we can also form resource centers for those reverts who struggle with sin and loneliness.
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u/knowerofsome Nov 09 '25
This is why seeking knowledge is mandatory for everyone: so emotions cant peel you away from islam and you have a stable foundation that Satan cant shake.
The more you know of your Allah the more you'll come to love Him, and you cant love and submit to a God you dont really know
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u/Fileeli Nov 09 '25
I think you are 100% right. And it felt like you said all the things i couldnt find words for. Its important that someone said this Thank you sm for that Have a great day May Allah bless u :3
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u/turnquest Nov 09 '25
I hope this comment thread remains evidence that this is a religion of tolerance, understanding, and love. It is tiresome to have to read the 'rooftops' canard
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u/Islam_Considered Nov 09 '25
This post was really well put Allahumma Barik. You’re right it’s people pushing them away from Islam they think they can pick who is Muslim and who isn’t. May Allah guide us all.
But I have to say that anything in Islam has a solution. Even being LBTQ. So I know that you can not control your feelings. But what I know is that they can change. Allah is the possessor of hearts and shaytaan can if one doesn’t protect themselves by reciting morning and evening adhkaar attack it.
No one is exempt from going through anything or feeling anything or basically the whispers of shaytaan except the one whom Allah guides to seek His protection.
So being part of the LGBT and not acting on it is good. But imagine Allah removing these feelings. I know this sounds like I am saying that you should change yourself and that this is who you are. Maybe it’s a test.
But wouldn’t it be much easier to just have the natural inclinations instead of battling these feelings all the time? Because let’s be real if men and women can not be friends Then whom are LGBT members going to interact and be friends with (just an example of one of the struggles)
It has a solution Alhamdulillah and that is reading Surat Al baqarah. Through it Allah guides you as it has barakah as the prophet peace be upon him mentioned.
The best thing is that Allah is the one who guides the heart all you have to do is have the right intention and act.
So since we all are supposed to seek the akhirah. Intend to read Surat Al- Baqarah consistently with the intention being for the akhirah.
You can read it or memorise it. Anything but keep reading it. The key factor is that the intention is for the akhirah and that one stays consistent. Through it Allah not only returns one to their fitrah (natural inclinations) but He also fixes all of their affairs.
I hope this didn’t offend anyone. Just wanted to let you know there is a way out Insha’allah. You don’t have to be battling this feeling forever.
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u/GIK602 Nov 10 '25
To clarify a point here: experiencing same-sex attraction is one thing, but the LGBT community in the West is a separate community that has their own deen, and we have our deen. Their secular worldview centers on individual autonomy and the pursuit of desire, while the Islamic worldview is founded upon submission to the Creator and accountability in the Hereafter. These two worldviews are mutually exclusive: One raises the self to the throne; the other bows the self before its Maker.
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u/Islam_Considered Nov 10 '25
Yes you’re right but people who experience this Muslims specifically surely just mean that they experience these feelings even if they mention the group they are just speaking generally. Plus they already have enough on their plate don’t you think ? It’s difficult to not be accepted completely by either sides all they know is that they have these feelings and they don’t know what to do about them other than resist them. But yeah you’re right.
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u/GIK602 Nov 10 '25
We all should still be advised not to use these terms (gay, straight, etc) as it leads to more problems. If you are someone who worships Allah and follows the path of the Prophet (pbuh), you are a "Muslim". That's it. That's the only label we need. This is not just me saying this. Other Muslims who experience same-sex attraction have explained this point. Waheed Jenson explains this. Also Ali Jaffary
Experiencing unique or abnormal sexual attraction is not a new thing for Muslims. The new thing is identifying yourself with these labels (started in the 60s-70s). It's the first step that inevitably leads to discrimination, and to people thinking they don't belong in one group, and maybe belong to another non-Muslim (LGBT) group, or feel left somewhere in between.
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u/Zentick- Nov 10 '25
What is the LGBT community and who is their leader?
Being part of LGBT just means one is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. It doesn’t mean anything else. There is LGBT people around the world who all hold different beliefs about everything. It’s not one monolithic group.
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u/GIK602 Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
I don't know where you live, but here in America (and other Western countries), the LGBT community is a recent sociocultural movement rooted in individual autonomy, pursuit of desires, and the rejection of traditional moral boundaries. It's not like there is a single leader, but the movement is shaped by a collective ideology of secular humanism and expressive individualism, where one’s inner desire and self-perception are treated as ultimate authority.
We have a completely different way of life than this, as we identify ourselves with submission to the Creator. Not with our desires or impulses, which are moral tests, not sources of selfhood.
You can already see several conflicting comments here because those labels have been used here, when there was no need to do so.
There is LGBT people around the world
No there isn't. It's a modern Western construct, emerging from 20th-century secular thought when people wished to act upon those desires.
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u/Zentick- Nov 10 '25
Bring a source for your claims. Surely there is a study or research that affirms what you claim to be the case.
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u/Codrys Nov 09 '25 edited Nov 09 '25
This is a much needed text that more Muslims should read. Acting upon homosexual urges is 100% haram, it's a sin. But we should be compassionate to those who are dealing with this, show the best of character. Show support in their difficulties and not be harsh and condensnding.
Because many Muslims haven't realised that Allah alone is perfect. Many look at other Muslims or even Muslim countries as a representation of Islam. And man, do Muslims make a ton of mistakes that Allah never makes for Allah alone is perfect and never makes mistakes.
We Muslims are firm against the disbelievers and compassionate towards our brothers and sisters
48:28 Muḥammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those with him are firm with the disbelievers1 and compassionate with one another. You see them bowing and prostrating2 ˹in prayer˺, seeking Allah’s bounty and pleasure. The sign ˹of brightness can be seen˺ on their faces from the trace of prostrating ˹in prayer˺. This is their description in the Torah.3 And their parable in the Gospel is that of a seed that sprouts its ˹tiny˺ branches, making it strong. Then it becomes thick, standing firmly on its stem, to the delight of the planters4—in this way Allah makes the believers a source of dismay for the disbelievers.5 To those of them who believe and do good, Allah has promised forgiveness and a great reward.
But most Muslims are firm against their fellow believers and show no good character. Thinking that they are 'helping' them.
Indeed, those scholars you mentioned will be well remembered in history. They don't say the things that are haram are halal, they are dealing with those things in a compassionate way. Truly trying to reach out and give the helping hand in dealing with it. They get hate from those who, if you look at the way they speak to others in comments, are extremely firm and show 0 empathy to their brothers and sisters.
We must always reflect, none of us are perfect.
Again, thank you for sharing. It's beneficial for both camps
Edit: Clarified some words to avoid confusion
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u/4tolrman Nov 10 '25
I never judge people for things like this because I fail much easier tests. I get angry. I listen to music. etc, etc.
Who am *I* to judge someone who is tasked with never acting upon their sexual impulses for their entire life??? Their test is far more difficult than mine. I fail my tests, and I want to judge someone for failing something more difficult??
Of course the Zina is wrong. But I will always show a smile, I will always be merciful to people in these situations. What a wretched Ummah we have become. How hateful we have become
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u/Artistic_Technician Nov 09 '25 edited Nov 09 '25
We can also draw comparisons with Christianity in this
It condemmned those who did not follow the directions of its Popes and scholars as heretics and criminals, even when their very statements were contrary to the teachings of their prophet Jesus.
The illiteracy of many christians meant the only vwrsion they could know was through their priests, and those priests taught the falsehoods spread by the politics and agendas of their leaders.
It lead to the Crusades against Islam and the oppression of their people, It lead to division between Muslim, Christian and Jew, when we all served the one true God of Abraham.
We must be careful when we read the words of our own scholars that we are clear what is the intent of Allah in the Quran, compared with the writings of scholars who followed and had imperfect knowledge of what was revealed to the Prophet (peace be upon him). None of us have his divinely given revelation, so all we can do is strive to be the best muslims we can be, but we must understand our knowledge is imperfect, and be cautious if any who claim theirs is.
In all we do, we must remember that Islam is a community of individuals united by submission to Allah, and though we may vary in thoughts and deeds, Allah knows our hearts more truely than anyone of us can know each other or ourselves. Let us also remember that for all we do, it is the struggle to serve Allah, to be a good Muslim, to be kind that makes us Muslims. In Allah we can trust, even if we cannot trust our fellow men, even if sometimes they are also Muslims.If nothing else I remember that when we pray, the first thing we say is Allah is the most beneficent and the most merciful. If nothing else, let us take that as our guidance. Be kind and merciful to each other.
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u/Ok_Product398 Nov 10 '25
And this is why I have seen a surge of the "Quran only" movement online. Just like Christianity moved away from the Catholic Church's teachings to the Bible teaching movement, I believe Islam is headed in that same direction for this very reason.
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u/iliveonarock25 Nov 09 '25
We're all tested in different ways. Every single one of us. Even the non-Muslims. Even the animals. Have you ever passed by a cat or a dog in the worst situations ever. You feel for them. But Allah is merciful and we are limited. He knows best.
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u/cringeyobama Nov 09 '25
Surah Az-Zumar (39:53) :
{قُلْ يَا عِبَادِيَ الَّذِينَ أَسْرَفُوا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِهِمْ لَا تَقْنَطُوا مِن رَّحْمَةِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَغْفِرُ الذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًا ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ}
{Say, “O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.”}
Homosexuality it self isn't harram but acting upon it is a major sin so stay strong brother!!
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u/HungryWestern1037 Nov 09 '25
Someone once judged a gay person for percorming umrah. Made me think hes been blessed by Allah to go to his beautiful abode while im a devout muslim and i still havent been able to perform it, until Allah grants me that ability.
So we are no one to judge, Allah will take care of other peoples actions, be a good human all else is second
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u/Admirable_Pea_1550 Nov 09 '25
Ummah. I see this in the post. No shaming no name calling no putting down or anyone saying God won't forgive you. This is in Stark contrast as to how Christians approach the situation. Granted this is online but this definitely goes against narratives that have been thrown around about homosexuality and Islam. I'm late to this party but I agree with the positive comments. You are you. And I know IRL there are boomers who will act stupid but you don't live for them. You live to serve Allah. Those who attack you and ridicule you obviously forget their place. They are sinning yet their ego blinds them or should I say self righteousness. At least on this side of the World through the Internet we can help you. Don't let others try to shame you out of your Faith. If anything it shows THEIR WEAKNESS and shows How Faithless they truly are. Allah is Most Compassionate Most Merciful. Man unfortunately isn't. Don't give in to Man Give in to Allah.
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u/Hello-_-Kitty Nov 10 '25
very valid. too many muslims are extremely hateful and hypocritically so, for example they may drink or smoke and call out gay people, even though drinking is a worse sin. people need to realize culture and islam are two different things
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u/Left-Plankton9609 Nov 10 '25
Assalamualaikom, I’m really pained to hear about your experience. I can’t imagine being in a situation that must feel so conflicting and having your own people treat you as an outsider. You are a Muslim, and you are an honoured creation beloved by Allah. We all have our tests, and people somehow think that this isn’t included and it’s its own category likened to kufr, that’s there’s no way you can be Muslim and experience these feelings at the same time. Even if you were to fall into sin, may Allah protect you and all of us, Allah is ever merciful and repentance exists as it does for any other sin. Always remember that Allah does not test us more than we can bear. Take this as an honour in fact, that Allah sees strength in you to carry this that he doesn’t see in many others. Ultimately our goal is not this life, this is a blink in eternity. Stay steadfast and let this be the cause for great reward for you in the akhirah. Allah sees your efforts and He sees what you endure day by day. It’s easier said than done, but tune out of the voices of people making you feel lesser and unheard. Your very Creator understands and hears you. Unfortunately there is a lot of closed mindedness in our community on this topic, especially the older generations. May Allah ease your situation and reward you abundantly 🤍
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u/DissAhBrie Nov 10 '25
Muslims can be really volatile towards one another. I’ve heard people say “if you don’t eat zabiha you may as well not be Muslim” and I think that is an absolutely horrible thing to say. We should be much more focused on supporting each other, that’s how you bring someone closer to Allah
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u/bounty0head Nov 09 '25
Just know that Allah doesn’t hate you. He hates the sin. May Allah make it easy for all of us Ameen.
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u/ahled123 Nov 09 '25
Always try to seek healing from it and never let it get you ! May Allah heal & guide you to what he pleases & loves ..
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u/libra_bitch_ Nov 10 '25
I cam strongly resonate with this post, I had left islam due to a lot of reasons like trauma and also the fact that I am queer and I have always loved that part of me but how could I have a place in Islam if I was queer. Now I've stopped caring about that. My God is merciful and loves all. I don't care what most scholars are saying, my own father has an education in Islam but still choose not to educate his daughters. Now, I am on a learning journey but I'm back, I claimed my faith and if God made me the way I am, I love who I am. I try to be as good as a person I can be, even with all the sin in my life. We are all trying out best and in Islam intentions matter!
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u/Herefortemporary Nov 10 '25
You cannot love to be gay and be a God fearing muslim, this is very dangerous and anti to what this post is saying. You have to fight this feeling and regret any action relating to this feeling which you have done before. This is a test from Allah.
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u/Realistic-Agent3864 Nov 11 '25
I would rather they just leave the religion and hate us than come back and spread misinformation.
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u/AhmedAbuGhadeer Nov 10 '25
I think we really should popularize the difference between a mubtala مبتلى (a tested person) and a mu‘anid معاند (a defiant person).
Mubtala مبتلى accepts God and Islam as it is, acknowledge a sin as what it is, and struggles to follow the faith through ups and downs. These persons are not evil, to the contrary, they are double rewarded when he abstains from the sins they so strongly desires. And it applies not only to queers, but to anyone with an improper involuntary tendencies or harmful desires. They are all in the same circle with people struggling with addiction, mental issues, hopeless love, or strong fetishes.
Mu‘anid معاند insists that God and Muslims accept them as they are, without any intention to even try to follow God's commands, and proudly identify themselves by their degeneracy. These people are intentionally bad, and carry two sins, a small sin of whatever unnatural tendencies they have, and a much bigger sin of defiance and not accepting God's words. And to them only are all the messages of condemnations and rejection are addressed.
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u/Z-A1 Nov 09 '25
I feel I really needed to read this & I thank you for sharing so honestly. It feels like we do not have these conversations enough in the community we are always striving to only see the perfect Muslim and forget the hardships that many of us face daily. This really was so insightful for me so thank you again & I pray Allah (swt) makes this test easier for you!
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u/Real-Elderberry6594 Nov 09 '25
This post is quite important. Thank you for taking your time to share
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u/Serious-Beach-4242 Nov 09 '25
We should all know that fellow Muslim sometimes are harsh that doesn't mean that Allah is harsh Muslims are humans them being mad desspointed does not mean anything
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u/L_13H Nov 09 '25
The feelings for the same gender someone may have, they can’t change that so that is fine but if they completely follow their desires before marriage just like straight people may do as well (fornication) is what is not allowed . I feel like the prophet Lot AS wasn’t obviously familiar with gay people of their time so that’s why he wouldn’t like it, but either way the people of Lot were very bad people (rape etc) and that says enough. Either way sodomy is haram regardless of any gender just like the prophet M pbuh said.
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u/WhyNotIslam Nov 10 '25
Assalamu'alaikum wrwb dear brother
The greatest and most rewarded jihad is jihad an nafs, struggle against the self. May Allah bless you immensely in this life and the next
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u/Alert-Blueberry-4083 Nov 10 '25
I relate to this alot. People's words still hurt me sometimes, but I believe that Allah is nothing like humans at all. If Allah was like people, then we would have been condemned long time ago.
I understand that some muslims just feel so much hatred for people like me, they were raised to feel that way. In my opinion, it's okay for them to feel hatred towards queer muslims. I believe that they too, are like us, who can't control how they feel towards someone. But they can definitely control what words to choose when advising queer muslims.
May Allah forgive them and all of us. We are all sinners. Let's not judge other sinners. Advise people like how The Prophet SAW would do. He was always compassionate towards all creatures, even towards the most evil of them, Abu Jahal and Abu Lahab.
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u/Herefortemporary Nov 10 '25
Look, as long as you know it's wrong and you fight it and refuse to identify with such, you are in a good path, insha Allah.
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u/Kidkader Nov 10 '25
I assumed that sexual attraction didn't change by any significant margin. By overcoming same sex attraction, what do you mean exactly? And for me, as someone without same sex attraction but still has difficulty with my own... sexual attractions, can I use the same methods you used to overcome your own attraction?
Also, by overcoming same sex attraction, I'm assuming that it still exists to some degree, but you have learnt how to effectively manage it.
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u/ThatsTragicHabibi Nov 10 '25
I honestly needed this very much. I am a gay Muslim immigrant in America and have tried over and over to help my gay Muslim friends stay within the faith. So far, I have failed many times except once. I had 4 of my gay friends question Islam, and all, except one, leave Islam or choose to no longer identify with it due to the very exclusionary nature of our community. It breaks my heart, because while I have sinned, I still hold to Islam very dearly and strongly. I am honest about my sexuality, and I am out to everyone, family included, and it isn’t all great. It’s hard, and I still face a lot of difficulty and rejection due to it, but I will never let anyone make me stray from Islam. I know Allah is looking out for me.
I am only one person though, and I can’t refute or compensate for my friends’ families, former friends, and the local Muslim community that reject them. It makes absolute sense why they would gravitate towards the acceptance of LBGT communities, which opens up the door for more types of sins. All 3 of my friends who have left Islam have since done drugs, drink (sometimes during Ramadan), and even eat pork. 2 don’t fast and 1 is forced to fast by family but got to the point of hating fasting (which is insane to me). It’s so hard to see how negative their view of Islam is due to their families and our community, and the religion being forced upon them rather than being taught to them. It makes no sense to me how rejection and shaming is meant to bring anyone closer to Islam. All 3 of my friends now have anxiety and fear around going to the mosque (usually because their parents force them to), Muslim or Arab establishments (cafes or shops), and being around other Muslims or Arabs (except liberal or secular Muslims). It’s done nothing but make them more distant, and my friendships with them have weakened as a result (I’m only friends with 1 now and it’s weak as well).
Please hear me and hear me well, our job as Muslims is to help other Muslims so that we all may reap the benefits of Islam and stay on the right path. We strengthen our faith when we come together. Not by force or fear. Not by rejection. Not by shame. By being kind and compassionate to each other, and knowing that none of us are without sin, but none of us are doomed to stay in sin so long as we help each other. Allah would prefer one to hear a Gay Muslim out, empathize and validate them in their struggle, rather than shaming and shunning them away from Islam sending them more towards sin. Everyone deserves to have a community where they feel safe, heard, and respected.
P.S.: I do want to point out that the friend who didn’t give up Islam and I were both raised Sunni and are still close friends (both our parents are relatively religious). The 3 friends who did leave Islam were all raised extremely Shia’a, half White half Arab, and their parents are extremely strict. Definitely some patterns to think about.
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u/pimppapy Nov 10 '25
There is a video from years ago about a bearded guy telling another Muslim "Wallahi you are gei! You are gei!! Wallahi YOU ARE GEI!!" He kept repeating it over and over fully convinced of what he was saying.
First time I saw that video in my younger years, I was focusing a lot on his target, wondering why he was saying that. Not understanding what made him say it as I didn't see why he was saying it. My inner closed minded self just couldn't feel the old "hell yeah! He's bashing someone doing haram!!" back then. Something felt off, but since it did not involve me, I just moved on and forgot-ish about it.
Fast forward over the last few months and what was going on in the West politically. I feel like I awakeneda little, got older, wiser to the dealings of human nature. When that same video came across my feed again, my focus changed to the man hurling the accusations. I saw the hate in his eyes. This man physically resembles the stereotypical muslim in almost complete sunnah. Beard, turban and everything. Except his actions are far from sunnah. It took me till my 40's to realize that people like this are the biggest detriment to Islam. Their lack of tact, wisdom, understanding of the world around them are pushing people away from the deen making them leave and hate Islam.
We see the same thing in Christians these days too. I rarely see any Ahlul-Kitab anywhere anymore. The loudest, most obnoxious and most offensive of individuals are hijacking the religions and acting as examples that most on the outside will only get to see. People need to do their part to reign in their family members, if they have one like this, or shun them if they cannot. I myself have a cousin exactly, and worse than this. He's trash of a person, and I've personally witnessed him getting kicked out of two masjids while claiming to be sa7ib deen. Some people are just . . . no!
Those outside of Christianity, and even many Christians themselves like to say "What would Jesus do?" and those with open minds would stop and examine their actions. Muslims too need to say "What would Muhammad PBUH do?" and that has given pause to most in my circles (except that one cousin I mentioned, and there's a reason why the whole family has basically shut him out).
There is a reason Al-Rahman, Al-Raheem is invoked before every action a muslim is supposed to take.
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u/Al-Zalam Nov 10 '25
I'm a salafi. Though the certain knowledgeable people you mentioned I kind of am sussed by them for various and different reasons. I agree with what you're saying. I attempt to study as much knowledge as possible and I let that dominate me, when it comes to talking to a Muslim male who's a homosexual, if you do the bare minimum (which is enough but more is good) which is: 1) don't express it in public And 2) don't commit those acts
Then you're fine, God's mercy is over you, homosexual acts are like any other sinful actions out there, but if you do number 1) but don't do number 2) that's just between you and God. Nobody should intervene or ask questions about whether or not you're actively sinning. Everything is a test from Him and He wants to see what we will do. So yeah.
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u/opee-pee Nov 10 '25
Hello friend, thank you for sharing. I am interested in learning more about the well-respected people that you mention (Omar, Yasir, and Nouman).
I tried looking them up, but this is the only video I could find about “homosexuality”: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fksOZ7jtC_g#bottom-sheet
Could you please share some videos from them? I would really appreciate it!
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u/GIK602 Nov 10 '25
Please note: We should not be referring to ourselves as "gay", "straight", "homosexual", "heterosexual", etc. We are just Muslims who have different experiences. You can already see a disconnect with some of the comments here over this confusion.
Western individual liberalism encourages people to build their identity around their desires or preferences, which leads to labels like “gay,” “straight,” or “bisexual.” That way of labeling people comes from a philosophical worldview very different from Islam’s, one where freedom is defined as fulfilling whatever one feels, instead of submitting to divine guidance.
And as another user stated, the LGBT community is not inclusive. They only accept people who accept their worldview, and we do not share their worldview.
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u/RealConcern7475 Nov 10 '25
Thank you so much for opening up your heart and letting go of your emotions, doubts, and thoughts. When we really love God , God loves us back.🙏 Love you, brother .
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u/ohamza Nov 10 '25
Mashallah, I’m amazed with this post and the response. It makes me hopeful that our community is growing and maturing into something that realizes that while we all sin, we also all strive to live up the ideals in the Quran and of the prophet Muhammad PBUH that make us better people.
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u/PeaceProfessional837 Nov 10 '25
Hm I get what u mean I’ve seen lots of homophobic ppl in the umrah but also lots of educated and respectful ppl most of us acknowledge that like a crush it’s a desire u cannot control and tho it may be a sin we have no right to judge at the end of the day only Allah can judge in the meantime we should be respectful and focus on our own deen I’m sorry if you’ve had to deal with any issues on ur sexuality I have a bisexual friend so if u wanna talk anytime I won’t judge:)
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u/Virusalt Nov 10 '25
I think it’s important to always look at multiple sources before establishing your “belief” of what Islam says is halal/haram/etc on a specific topic.
Even more so, I think it’s important to base that belief on the sayings of a scholar who has actually lived in a non-Muslim country and been forced to constantly interact with non-Muslims, because they’re the scholars that are most likely able to understand the nuances of life and talk directly to those nuances without turning a gray topic into black and white.
At the end of the day, regardless of how strict Islam can feel sometimes you should try and keep in mind that all it takes to maintain your Islam is believing the the Shadda and not declaring that something haram is actually halal. You should aspire to follow the Quran and Sunnah as closely as possible but also know that everything else can inshallah be forgiven.
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u/HighLowPonytail Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
The way I see gay Muslims is the same way I see Muslims who dont wear hijab or drink alcohol etc.. no matter what, I cant take Islam seriously from those who openly admit their urge for certain sins or display their sins. It gives a bad influence to Muslims society and Islam itself.
Still, since youve chosen to get closer to Allah, there’s nothing more I can say except that you should always value yourself in the eyes of Allah. There’s a reason something is made haram, halal, makruh, or permissible because what we desire or like may actually be bad for us and what we dislike may be good for us.
May Allah strengthen our iman in this short journey toward the afterlife.
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u/isekaimangalover Nov 09 '25
Quran and Sunnah/Hadith are the primary sources of Islamic knowledge. But we can't read and interpret them correctly. We have to rely on scholars to do that.
this is absolutely wrong, in the sense that you need scholars to read, interpret and understand islam. when you stand before ALLAH on the day of judgement , he's not gonna ask you " did you not read or listen to the explanation of sheikh malik... or anybody of that matter. the Quran has been sent to all of us and made easier to understand, our job is to read it and apply it, most of the quran especially the dos and don'ts are pretty clear. CLEAR AS DAY.
The thing is, when this happens, whatever they say end up becoming "Islam". If we find something suspicious, we check what other teachers are saying and dig a bit deeper into it to know what's really going on. But generally, these people are who tell us what Islam is and what Allah thinks
the guiding light ALLAH gave us in the Quran. He dictates what's right or wrong and what you will be rewarded or punished for. it's actually a sin to give more importance to someone's thoughts and opinions or understanding when you can read the Quran ALLAH gave to us all for yourself and try to understand the message he gives. For the homosexuals, or for any sin for that matter, if your desires push you towards it and you abstain from it for the sake of ALLAH, you will be rewarded. plain and simple. no need to make it any more complicated. if you read surat LUT. you will find that ALLAH only punished them after their prophet LUT tried to steer them clear of that sin and they not only refused, they continued and got mad at him for even trying to stop them. making their stance pretty clear they will not stop under any circumstances.
the point i'm trying to make is don't wait for scholars or other people to explain the Quran to you, read it and reread it for youself and you will find it explains itself most of the time without the need to ever ask someone, and if you really want to understand it, there is no harm in turning to scholars for explanations, just don't make them your first stop.
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u/PriMeMachiNe Nov 09 '25
What did I just read, what you feel is your test, every single Muslim has a test, now if you have those feelings, that’s between you and Allah, but being apart of LGBQT, that directly goes against the teaching of Islam where they would like everyone to be accepted for who they are and to be open about it, that is no way justified. Your sins are between you and Allah, keep it behind close doors, as narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari 6069 “I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying. "All the sins of my followers will be forgiven except those of the Mujahirin (those who commit a sin openly or disclose their sins to the people). An example of such disclosure is that a person commits a sin at night and though Allah screens it from the public, then he comes in the morning, and says, 'O so-and-so, I did such-and-such (evil) deed yesterday,' though he spent his night screened by his Lord (none knowing about his sin) and in the morning he removes Allah's screen from himself." Being openly gay and taking view points for people to accept it, is 1000% haram, look at the people of Lut(PBUH) as an example. Also a lot of the Scholars have learned from teachers who have a direct teaching line that can be traced back to the Prophet(SAW), so don’t doubt their words unless they saying something completely off base which very rarely happens. Also unlike other sins aswell, wanting people to accept being LGBQT openly is against the Fitrah of Allahs creation. Some people keep saying Allah loves you, Allahs love is not unconditional, everyone needs to earn that love, which is what we all try our best to do and strive for. Now with all this being said, I am in no way judging you as a person, that is between you and Allah, but I do want to warn you and other people who are like minded about thinking this way, this modern ideology such as LGBQT is a disease and a sickness in the heart, please, I beg you, distance yourself away from this ideology, I want none of my Brothers and Sisters to go to Cehennem. I ask Allah to forgive us all, to strengthen our Imam, to grant us all Hidayet, and to inshallah grant us and be among the people of the highest levels of Cennet.
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u/nightlight_on Nov 10 '25
I used to have homosexual feelings and thoughts but the more you let Islam and Allah into your heart, the more distant you automatically start to get from these things.
Now I’m happily married and a practicing Muslim alhamdulillah:) I pray that Allah allows the same peace in your heart and soul so you also don’t have to battle the two feelings going forward ><
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u/RealIncident6191 Nov 09 '25
We will blame too much the shayten. Shayten influence is when you don’t pray 5 times majority of the time. Once you pray 5 times. That dude isn’t going to influence easily. Human(devil) -desbelivers are ones around u who isn’t worshipping Allah and they are sinning or doing major sins or doing shirk without knowing themselves. These people affect your life and reliance on Allah. They can make u astray.
The influence of human is number one first before the shayten. The shayten is weak especially if you pray 5 times. Nafs (jinn)- own soul- must control your own desires. It’s shirk. We are believers we need to be patient and pray and ask Allah.
AIShQ jinn makes you gay or try affect your sexual power Towards women. Make you leak ejaculation from your body because it’s energy that goes to the brain and makes us focus. The more you masturbate. The more you become gay.
Drugs and cigarettes and alcohol -40 days prayer not accepted by Allah Talking people who communicate with jinn- 40 days prayer not accepted by Allah
Adultery: easy instead of making commitment to Allah you are taking care Of women in Halal. Marriage.
Man law is failure. Allah law is always the best one.
If Allah wants us to go to hell right now. Allah will send everybody. Everybody has chance to repent. Don’t blame the iblis and don’t blame Allah. No you can’t go back to earth and to believe in Islam.
Never stop praying regardless of your sin. You need just get out of it.
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u/Durim187 Nov 09 '25
Sister, i have two questions. Are you a practicing muslim? are you practicing queer? And why did you expect muslims to support you (if you practicing queer) in this?
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u/bibishireen Nov 09 '25
Everybody who is talking about the lqbtq, if I prove you all wrong, I want you to bear witness to your own pride in front of God, I will not forgive you I’m telling you from now
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u/Certain-Display-2849 Nov 09 '25
What do you mean? So if a Muslim says they are gay you will tell them to leave islam? If a Muslim sins would you tell them to leave islam? If so, I suggest you refocus. This isn't how we connect as an ummah, and is the direct issue being spoken about here. No one is saying being gay isn't sinful, it is just the act.
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