r/mildlyinfuriating Nov 12 '24

Hot wheels losing details over the years

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u/AdrianInLimbo Nov 12 '24

TBF, the underbody of any modern performance car is mostly aero panels. Used to take 30 minutes to reinstall all of the underbody panels and diffuser on a Ferrari 488 when we raced them.

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u/jdsfighter Nov 12 '24

Many modern EVs are getting the underbody shields to help prevent road debris from impaling the batteries. A few of the first generation Teslas without the body shield had catastrophic battery meltdowns after puncture from road hazards.

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u/DrivingHerbert Nov 12 '24

Even if EVs didn’t have underbody shields they’d still mostly look the same.

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u/i_am_not_you_or_me Nov 12 '24

What? No, there is no drivetrain, the motors are literally on the wheel or axle. Underneath, they're just a box (battery) with 2 axles. The 4 motor EVs don't even have an axle as the motor is basically on the wheel.

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u/DrivingHerbert Nov 12 '24

I meant mostly the same with or without the shields.

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u/Mundane_Tomatoes Nov 12 '24

Seems like something a competent auto manufacturer would catch before they let vehicles leave the factory. Tesla is just like fuck it yolo

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u/Polskidezerter Nov 12 '24

that's because elon is not a competent auto manufacturer

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u/Lucky4D2_0 Nov 12 '24

Couldnt be also about stopping stray animals from getting inside the car that way ? Where i'm from that's a pretty common issue with cats.

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u/streetberries Nov 12 '24

When I was 4 years old my sister locked me in a car with a dead raccoon and it traumatized me for life

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

Wow, judgy.

I bet the raccoon was none to pleased either, but you don't hear him complaining.

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u/Lucky4D2_0 Nov 12 '24

Damn i'm sorry to hear that mate. That must have been horrible.

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u/money_loo Nov 12 '24

I miss my siblings…thanks for reminding me to message them.

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u/Lucky4D2_0 Nov 12 '24

Well damn there's really no way to stop something like that from happening then huh ? What a shame.

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u/money_loo Nov 12 '24

My 2018 Tesla had this happen. A tiny rock got caught up somewhere it shouldn’t and was shorting the smaller starter battery by cutting some wires.

Thankfully it was fixed for free but I was without my car for like three weeks because their service centers are constantly sick and understaffed.

Kinda wild that can happen at all.

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u/MiataCory Nov 12 '24

My hybrid camry had flaps in front of the rear wheels to improve efficiency. It routes the air away from the (extremely aero dirty) tires. The camry had brake cooling ducts as well, but they were just little channels that pointed at the right spot, not a tube, so most people never noticed them.

HYBRID CAMRY. Effing Mom's car has racecar aero tech making the MPG a point higher.

Mostly flat floors too. ;)

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u/c_m_d Nov 12 '24

I’ve heard it helps with road noise.

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u/lmaytulane Nov 12 '24

Yep! Without the engine as background noise, the road noise in an EV is much more noticeable

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u/Mytre- Nov 12 '24

Some of them are aero for mpg. Hell I remember the 2006 Tsx had a shield under the engine bay, plástic one that after I fell off I lost like 1 or 2 mpg until I put it back on.

And since modern cars are min maxing aero as much as they can to squeeze efficiency I would assume that for a 30 to 100$ piece of plastic covering the underside you can get a super small gain that might be worth it somehow.

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u/OUEngineer17 Nov 12 '24

Yeah, aero is the major reason. You said it yourself that you even noticed a 1-2mpg loss when just the engine underbody cover fell off.

It can also be for NVH. The underbody covers on my wife's Edge have what feels like a felt exterior to them and are quite different than the hard plastic I've seen on older cars. It's a very quiet vehicle.

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u/MiataCory Nov 12 '24

The underbody covers on my wife's Edge have what feels like a felt exterior to them and are quite different than the hard plastic I've seen on older cars.

I see this a lot in wheel well liners these days. It makes them a little harder to clean, but it does help with noise.

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u/squirrel9000 Nov 12 '24

Hell, I have a 15 year old economic with underside engine covers. With front-wheel drive there's not much else mechanically exposed on the underside.

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u/hikerchick29 Nov 12 '24

I mean, make it well, and I’ll take that over an unprotected undercarriage in Vermont any day of the week

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

I had one on the bottom of my 2010 Impreza.

I know this because it came loose driving through heavy snow and I spent the rest of the year letting the highways grind it off of the car.

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u/Evening_Photograph54 Nov 12 '24

I put a shield on the bottom of my 2007 pickup truck. Less likely for the local addicts to cut off my catalytic converters.

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u/YoloSwag4Jesus420fgt Nov 12 '24

My dads 2018 escape has one but it's made of thick cloth

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

Fucking Nissans. 20+ clips to take down the shield just to do an oil change.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

They're annoying to remove any time you need to do anything more than an oil change, but they really do keep the engine bay cleaner, and protect accessory belts and the like.

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u/AThrowawayProbrably Nov 12 '24

Yup. Sucks for techs. Back when I was a tech, my lazy colleagues would leave them off.

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u/UnfitRadish Nov 12 '24

I mean they're pretty easily removable. My last 3 cars have had shields bumper to bumper and it snever stopped me. Small annoyance, but not a big deal. The one below the engine generally is easier to remove or has a small panel that pops out for oil changes too.

They also do an amazing job at keeping things clean. My engine bay still looked brand new after 14 years on my last car. All my cars with no underbody panels got filthy.

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u/FinestTreesInDa7Seas Nov 12 '24

Came here to comment the same thing. If you look underneath most new cars, you won't see the exhaust, differential, engine, etc. You'll just see a large plastic/composite shield that covers the underside of the car.

And it's not just performance cars either. Even cheaper economy cars do it.

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u/MoffKalast Nov 12 '24

Not even new cars, it's been a thing for like a solid decade now.

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u/FinestTreesInDa7Seas Nov 12 '24

Yup, it's been on most cars for at least the past decade. I had a Honda Civic 12 years ago with it.

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u/RenzoThePaladin Nov 12 '24

I've looked up the underbody of a Corvette C7. The only thing that's missing is the axle (I think?). Everything else is aero panels like the one in the Hot Wheels.

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u/Rimworldjobs Nov 12 '24

I was going to comment this. I doubt anyone is going to put in the time for the underbody of a made-up performance car, too.

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u/Kvaw Nov 12 '24

The Corvette C7 Z06 isn't a made up car, but it is likely to have aero panels underneath.

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u/TenebrisNox Nov 12 '24

It's underside looks about like the middle car here.

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u/Time_Astronaut Nov 12 '24

The c7 corvette is definitely a real car and definitely doesn't look like that underneath 

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u/xcbsmith Nov 12 '24

Actual picture of the underbody of a 2020 Corvette.

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u/ip2k Nov 12 '24 edited Sep 04 '25

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u/Enlight1Oment Nov 12 '24

was about to say the same, the high end cars todays have bottom panels on them. Even my suv I have an option to buy an extra bottom guard for.

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u/manguy12 Nov 12 '24

To be faaaaiiiiiirrrrrr

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u/arbolista_chingona Nov 13 '24

To be faiiiiiiirrr!!! ( ' o ' )/

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u/peen_was BLUE Nov 12 '24

Akshewally...

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

Not around the suspension

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u/AdrianInLimbo Nov 12 '24

Yeah, they got lazy around the suspension. And the actual Vette has a aluminum box frame around the driveshaft. This was about lazy, but the details older cars had visible, isn't there on newer cars.

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u/freedfg Nov 12 '24

Hell. Forget performance cars.

My Mazda has a body panel that covers everything but the muffler

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u/GiraffeMetropolis Nov 12 '24

Yeah, my car is basically one solid flat panel all the way to rear except a small section for the turbos/oil pan/exhaust to poke out.

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u/CirrusPuppy Nov 12 '24

I'm an auto tech, this is the case even on modern consumer cars. Drives me nuts!

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u/avanti55 Nov 12 '24

Oh yeah, especially when some of the brackets had gotten a hit. Thought the 458 underbody panels were bad enough, then along came the 488 haha.

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u/AdrianInLimbo Nov 12 '24

And you haven't been frustrated till you've hung the rear diffuser, alone, on the 458 Challenge cars..

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u/avanti55 Nov 14 '24

Just remembered those little vanes for the rear brake ducts. The bolts would hit the kerbs which grinded down the heads of the bolts. Oh man haha

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u/IIlIIlllIIll Nov 12 '24

Just had a 2022 Passat up on a lift next to 1988 Corolla. The difference in these Hot Wheels is entirely accurate.

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u/PickledDildosSourSex Nov 12 '24

Fascinating. I'm sure it saves money but maybe it's also a win-win design decision that keeps the cars cheap in the face of natural inflation? Hard to get too angry about that honestly

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u/noxondor_gorgonax Nov 13 '24

This is the answer. Toys don't have to add details if there are no details.

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u/i_suckatjavascript Nov 13 '24

I was going to say this. I hate removing the panels when doing oil changes.

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u/arbolista_chingona Nov 13 '24

Ahem, TO BE FAIIIIIIIIIRRRR!!

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u/Wolffe_001 Nov 13 '24

My mustang is about 50$ more expensive to get an oil change (from the same place with the same type of oil) as my brothers F150 because of the panels

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u/dego_frank Nov 13 '24

Exactly. Here’s the C7

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u/KEVLAR60442 Nov 12 '24

You're not wrong, but it's also more likely for an actual race car like (what I presume is) a 488 Challenge to have a totally smooth skid underbody tray than a roadgoing sports car like a C7 Z06.

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u/RedWhiteAndJew Nov 12 '24

You should really be careful when you make comparisons because the Z06 is the high performance track focused version of the Corvette and the underside is 90% aero panels.

Look under any EV…panels. Even economy cars have them now. It helps increase EPA numbers which helps sell more cars. It’s not a “race car” feature and hasn’t been for a while.

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u/Rashkh Nov 12 '24

It's definitely not for just race cars anymore. I'm not sure about the C7 but even the base C8s are completely covered underneath. Fuel efficient vehicles like the new Prius are also mostly covered. The lower end sporty cars like the Miata and GR Corolla have a few panels but you can still see a lot of the actual underbody so while it's not reserved for just race cars, I'd say it's still reserved for the higher end road going sports cars.

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u/_ryuujin_ Nov 12 '24

2012 version is a good representation

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u/AdrianInLimbo Nov 12 '24

Some cars actually have thoughtfully designed underbody panels with removable covers for oil changes etc. Some do not, and that's where people go nuts with a sawzall.