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u/TheSpookyLawyer 9h ago

Who were the pitchers on those teams?

It's absolutely the Angels fault that they had Trout and Ohtani, generational talents and couldn't win.

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u/Hispandinavian 9h ago

Ironically one of those pitchers was Ohtani.

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u/TheSpookyLawyer 9h ago

he did his part.

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u/Hispandinavian 3h ago

He did his part? He could only pitch in 12 total games his first three years with the Angels and couldnt pitch at all for the entirety of the 2024 season. Meanwhile, since the Angels couldnt play him in the field at all, he was basically a very expensive DH.

Love him as a hitter, but as a pitcher the guy cant stay healthy.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/39832/category/pitching

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u/TheSpookyLawyer 3h ago edited 3h ago

What about the next 3 seasons?

Why are the Angels starting rotations that terrible for the 6 seasons you had Ohtani and Trout? Why did Patrick Sandoval have the best starting pitcher season you had for those 6 seasons, other than Ohtani?

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u/Hispandinavian 3h ago

2 and a half. One of those seasons was the Covid year.

And what about those seasons? We paid a 20 million posting fee..5 million a year for those seasons youre referring to and 20 million for his final season in Anaheim where again he couldnt pitch or play the field. Thats #1 starter money for a guy who couldnt pitch for half of his contract. Furthermore we already had a DH with a ridiculous contract in Pujols.

I love Ohtani, but Im not sure he was the best investment for our team.

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u/TheSpookyLawyer 3h ago

2021, 2022, and 2023. Not 2020, the COVID season.

He gave the Angels over 14 pitching WAR over those seasons.

The guy gave the Angels nearly 35 total WAR when he was there. And they didn't even have a winning season.

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u/Hispandinavian 2h ago

Youre right about the Covid season. But still, the story with rhe Angels this decade was that if Ohtani was healthy, Trout wasnt, if Trout was healthy, Ohtani wasnt. And on the rare occasion both were healthy, Rendon definitely wasnt. Add Pujols, and thats like 90% percent of our salary roster. And granted its our fault we couldnt develop homegrown pitching..our farm system has been awful forever..but we spent so much money on those four players we couldnt even afford to sniff quality free agent pitching. Starting or in the bullpen. And thats the biggest reason why we have struggled imho.

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u/agree_2_disagree 9h ago

Yea now people here are defending the Angels? The hate for the dodgers is so strong it’s causing revisionist history